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CKC out of FCI!
« on: November 29, 2006, 08:17:17 PM »

"Canadian Kennel Club pedigrees and judges

On the occasion of its meeting in Rome on October 25th and 26th, 2006, the FCI General Committee made the following decision:

Due to the continuous lack of communication and response from the Canadian Kennel Club, due to the fact that the CKC does not recognise the pedigrees from many of our members and contract partners and due to the lack of common orientation between the two organisations, the Canadian Kennel Club judges will no longer be allowed to officiate at FCI international CACIB shows as from January 1st 2007.

In addition, pedigrees issued by the CKC as from January 1st 2007 will no longer be recognized by the FCI.

Finally, the title of CKC Champion is no longer accepted for the entry in Champion Class at FCI International CACIB shows as from January 1st 2007.

We thank the member organisations and contract partners to inform URGENTLY all their shows organisers. In case this decision would not be observed, the organisers would be sanctioned. "

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Re: CKC out of FCI!
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2006, 08:05:40 PM »

No shows planned with a canadian judge so no problem for me.

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A bit premature...
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2006, 09:51:56 AM »

As a CKC member...I am aware firsthand that both the FCI and CKC are currently communicating and attempting to resolve the issue.  They both hope to come to a solution which would benefit both organizations.

I wish it was so simple as to say it's due to a communication 'breakdown'...But I believe there are several issues here....We should all find out very soon.

I think the FCI needs to look as several complexities of their actions and how to resolve them...such as:

--there are FCI affiliated organizations in Canada for working dogs....what backup solutions can the FCI find for them?  These organizations' dogs are eligible to compete at the FCI world's, FMBB etc....To deny these dogs/handlers would only hurt existing FCI parent organizations like the FMBB and the GTIM (just a couple examples)...

--Since the CKC and the AKC are NOT FCI recognized...but have an official 'understanding'....They are NOT required to recognize each and every FCI pedigree...UNLESS it meets their criteria in their registration bylaws...Apparently there were some 'questions' about the paperwork of some German dogs...

--How will the FCI deal with progeny from FCI registered parents?  Many breeders in Canada import FCI registered dogs for breeding...To deny their puppies is to say that their parents' FCI papers aren't worth the paper they are written on....It would be highly hypocritical...How can they 'legally' deny progeny from FCI registered lines/parents?

--Have they thought about the fact that they are inadvertantly 'shooting themselves in the foot'Huh?  I mean...This hurts FCI organizations in Europe...not only in protection programs but also in Agility, Conformation etc...Many NA's import from Europe...This helps the European dog economy and the European breeders....

--The CKC and AKC work closely together and recognize each other's paperwork...What is stopping from Canadian dog owners from 'dual registering' their dogs with the AKC???  NA dog people spend a lot of money annually in Europe at FCI events....I think this has a potential of hurting as many if not more European breeders than NA breeders...again JMO.

--The FCI's potential decision doesn't help anyone 'win'.  And they are hurting themselves in the process as well.

From the emails I have received from the CKC...the issue is hopeful in the fact that both sides want this resolved amicably.  My own personal opinion given all this info and other is that they will both find a 'middle ground' and resolve this issue positively.

--This almost has a taste of history:  NVBK vs FCI (didn't they do something similar??)

--Ironic...but I won't go into the BSD FCI pedigrees...??  Roll Eyes  All I can hope for is that the FCI can OBJECTIVELY weigh the pros and cons of this issue.

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CKC's statement:
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2006, 09:55:26 AM »

"The recognition of a foreign kennel club is a very important decision, considering the fact that registrations in Canada will be based upon the records maintained by the foreign club, thus the integrity of CKC registry is at stake.  Therefore, an applicant club must meet some exacting standards before recognition will be considered by the CKC.  There are a number of specific steps involved in the actual recognition process and it is done on a country-by-country basis. If each step is met with success then eventually the Board would be in a position to approve their stud book.  This is done by ensuring foreign requests meet with the requirements of the Animal Pedigree Act, Section 30, Subsection (2), as well as Club Policy and Procedures and By-Laws.
 
The specific criteria that assess eligibility of foreign stud books are set out in our By-laws, Section 27.3 and our Policy and Procedures Manual Chapter IV, Section P."
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Re: CKC out of FCI!
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2006, 02:05:04 PM »

What does this really mean to someone buying a puppy? Can't they just register the dog with AKC and call it a day?Huh
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Re: CKC out of FCI!
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2006, 04:56:45 PM »

Yup. Smiley

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Re: CKC out of FCI!
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2007, 02:14:13 PM »

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Canadian Kennel Club pedigrees and judges

On the occasion of its meeting in Amsterdam on March 6th and 7th 2007, further to contacts with the Canadian Kennel Club, the FCI General Committee re-considered its previous decision made against the CKC (see our circular 125/2006 dated 22/11/2006) and made the following decision :

All pedigrees issued by the CKC (whatever the date they were issued) are again recognized by the FCI with immediate effect.  As a result all dogs with a CKC pedigree are again allowed to take part in FCI international CACIB shows, are eligible to be entered in the studbooks of the member organisations and contract partners and they can again be used for breeding purposes.

However, the sanction against the Canadian Kennel Club judges was maintained, i.e. they are not allowed to officiate at FCI international CACIB shows since January 1st 2007.

We request the member organisations and contract partners to inform all the people and clubs concerned with this matter in their country.

From FCI website.
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CKC is NOT out of the FCI
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2007, 12:19:36 PM »

I think it's time for an update....

CKC registrations are accepted/recognized; and owners and breeders of CKC dogs will not be penalized or held hostage/responsible by the politics between the two organizations....I am surprised that that this thread has not been updated??! Sad  This information has been available for some time now. 

The FCI and the CKC are working on a resolution which would be amicable to both parties.  In the meantime the FCI has again accepted dogs/litters born as of Jan 2007.  Their sanctions are restricted to CKC judges!

Let's reverse the damage done and get the facts straight out to the public.  Until further notice...CKC registration as far as the FCI is concerned is not an issue at this time....Most of us are aware that the FCI's message is: 'either you're on our side or you're against us'...How they work it out...is up to them...But until such time...let's spread the truth and inform others....

Funny how posts flew when the FCI sanctioned the CKC....But now that this 'sanction' has been revoked...There are no statements/facts to attest to this....Huh  Why is that?   Idiot2 Why aren't there any clarifications to this board and its members?

As of August/07:

"CKC/FCI Talks Continue:
 
As continuing talks with FCI progress it has been confirmed by the Board that CKC Chair, Dwain McLean will accept an invitation extended by the FCI to attend their General Council meeting on October 29, 2007 in Berlin. Joining Mr. McLean will be CKC Board appointed representative Mr. Mike Shoreman. We have every intention of building our relationship with FCI by attending this meeting and in particular, our purpose is to continue discussions surrounding the removal of sanctions implemented in October 2006 against CKC judges.

Successful negotiations took place earlier this year and the FCI lifted the sanctions placed upon CKC dogs competing in FCI events and those against the acceptance of CKC registrations.
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Mr. Shoreman had the opportunity for additional discussions this past May, at the World Show in Mexico City as a representative of the CDJA and shared key points from those meetings with the CKC Board at their June meeting.

The Board continues to develop strategies to enhance the CKC relationship with FCI and our attendance at the Berlin meeting formally provides the opportunity to present our position regarding Canadian judges and continue working to remove the existing sanction."


Feel free to crosspost and educate those who still hold the belief that the CKC is 'out' of the FCI....'Knowledge is Power' as they say....


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Re: CKC out of FCI!---Update!
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2008, 11:13:19 AM »

Just to update those concerned or those misinformed...The CKC is back in with the FCI.

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