hunden is a member of one swedish working dog forum and there one guy pointed out about one paricular new exercise. If he and the rest of us understand it right here goes:
Dog runs for 40m towards a person and than grabs a stick this person is holding and fights for it.
As far as I know mals they usually go airborne even if running 10m. Some questions come to mind here: 1. What will happen if dog goes for something else but stick? If this test is like this than hell I would want a full body suite standing there just in case dog wants to have some fun. 2. How big is a chance of injury? Dog runs for 40 m does not brake and goes for a stick??? If they think mals will breake they have a big problem coming. 3. Even if dog passes this test what was prooven? 4. Körning should not be trained for so you see what kind of dog you have and so on. How many dogs would run for 40 m to grab a stick from stranger and fight for it without training? On other hand what do people who want to train IPO later do when they have to train their dog to forget grabing stick and go for sleeve?
I´m scraching my head and thinking about this and I don´t see the point of this test. Any of you guys see any point in this?
Bye, Raven
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I indeed hope they wear a full body suit because they will need it.
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Ok, finally we managed to get more info on this.. test looks like this:
1. owner of the dog plays with dog and stick 2. test person does the same 3. test person goes 5m away from the dog and dog should go for the stick 4. test person goes 40m away from the dog and dog should go for the stick
This test should show: - concentration - selfconfidence - curiosity - agression -I guess they would throw in drives and bunch of other things here..
This test looks little better now with the info but still 40m is quite a distance.. I played with Blueberry and rope on 10m and he goes airborne every time (sometimes he almoust rips my arm out of socket but hell thats not dogs fault). Somehow I wouldnt feel too safe to let mal run full speed into a toy (On MH there were women that helped with mentality test but somehow I cannot imagine a woman holding a stick for a full speed malinois). I don´t know how something like this would affect dogs that will/do train IPO.
This new version of Körning is already in use and so far they say everything is going fine.
Bye, Raven
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I would demand: -a writen statement of and the stranger with the stick and the organisation where they declare that they won't demand compensation for the costs due to injuries nor any legal action against me or my dog - a copy of thier insurance and prove of payement of the fees due to the insurance
Even with a full bodysuit if a mal races into a novice he will cause harm and i want them to pay for the injuries that my dog may get as a result from thier test.
Reaction to an approaching threat. Ghosts. Two volunteers dressed in white sheets, with white plastic buckets on their heads and large black painted eyes, nose and mouth, move stereotypically forward three feet at the time. Wind should be away from the dog so that it cannot smell the human scent from the two ghosts.
Results were: - Threatens the ghosts for a certain amount of time. - Inspects ghosts with shorter interruptions. - Runs away more than ten feet, but with tail up, and doesn't hide in the audience. - Approaches the ghost voluntarily when the handler is aside. Is balanced.
Ofcourse the best would be last one but we have seen mals run away, back down and so on... So this dogs would be "not good enough for breeding" by previous tests. Now this test is removed and new one as you can see above is in place.
I belive most mals would go for that stick (what would happen when dog gets to person holding it is another story but ok...) lets just say dog passes this test. Dog is great for breeding.
So dogs that failed ghosts tests and were not suitable are now perfect breeding dogs. So as long as dog has drives (and the rest that test is looking for) they can be affraid of 2 people in sheats and can run away.
I don´t know anymore. more I think about it and read about it more I doubt this körning will bring something good.
Bye, Raven
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Well that depends what would happen after that. I would say they would perform as they should so far. After ghosts stop they turn away and stand calmly.. dog should than go to person and inspect, you pull off that bucket of ghosts head and that would be it. I guess both of your dogs would pass that too since I doubt they would just go for something standing still.
Raider´s reaction was like this:
He steped in front of hunden and watched both ghosts, you could see he got "hard" and started growling (I´mean bussines kind of growl). When ghosts stoped he went to inspect them without fear, hunden than pull off their hoods from head and everything was fine. So he passed.
I have seen same test performed with malinois which more or less panicked when ghosts were like 6m away and first went to hide behind handler and after that almoust ran away. They stoped the test.
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My question, is when putting a dog into avoidance, what effect does it have on the dog? I mean, he freaked out on the test, but then is useless on the field, or perhaps worse.
I beleive I saw this test on a video, and I remember there were many opportunities for the dogs to go into avoidance. I really never understood the point of this.
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