O.K Heres the question? Please anyone i don`t mean any harm ! why schutzhund? or why would it be better to do Ringsport? What is the differants they are both are very good sports! But i have to chose! I like schutzhund but i think that the people in ring are more nice and understanding! But maybe its just my trainer! I have a GREAT BREEDER that talks to me allllllll the time. And she said to make up my mind but i need help PLEASE anyone! THANKS
If you have a Mal, I think that ring better challenges the breed than schutzhund. If you are thinking of haveing a dog for breeding, ring is the way to go. I dislike schutzhund as a test for the Mals.
SchH and IPO test dog roughly 5 + 5 + 5 minutes. Ringsports test much longer and are more demanding with different varieties. Also in ring dog has to be more independant. SchH and IPO both are so strictly in one form that dog learns all the movements in advance, when you train and compete more. I'd say that IPO and SchH are sports ring is more work. In breeding point of wiew, I'd always prefer ring to SchH.
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Both sports are quite different but if you want to do quality training they both are demanding. SCH is more static (exercises always the same) so you can condition a dog to do it whereas Ring is (at least should be) different every training. IMO more dogs are capable to do SCH then Ring (physically and mentally).
But another factor you have to evaluate are the possibilities in your area. Where are the good clubs and which sport do they practice there? Where and in which discipline can you find the best team to support you? No way you can do it on your own or with just some people around without experience. IMO you should choose the sport that offers you the best opportunities to train and to compete in your area and then look for the best club and the best trainers. An experienced decoy who can ?read? a dog, give the dog experience and help him where necessary also is a must!
Good luck!
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I like schutzhund but i think that the people in ring are more nice and understanding!
I doubt that "New brooms always sweep" and I guess this goes for all disciplines
If I would need to choose I would go for Ring. I don't like the repetiveness of SCH. For the rest I completely agree with Martine, certainly on this part
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No way you can do it on your own or with just some people around without experience
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That is one of things that went wrong at our club.
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Thanks all of you! I`m really thinking about getting into ring, I have been doing Schutzhund for a year and a half. But i feel that the trainer isn`t being fair to me or my dog! He ownes all German Shepheads and i`m the only mal. I do like Schutzhund? and i think hes a good trainer but not for a mal?
Hi Kendra! I agree with what everyone basically said about the differnces between ring and Sch. I have the utmost respect for anyone who puts in the time and effort in ANY dogsport. Alot of people will put down Sch. To compete at a high level in any sport takes time, effort, and dedication.
I do agree that your ring sports are a more challenging test of the dog and their trianing. Ring sports offer more opposition from the decoy and/or test the dogs environmental stability as well. You may want to consider PSA--www.psak9.org It is a challenging sport that combines aspects of Sch, ring. and KNPV. ASR is a growing sport as well though I have never seen a trial or know much about it.
I took the liberty of looking at you websight and some video. Your dog is very nice! You have nice focus in your obedience, nice foundation in tracking, she seems to have a nice grip, and a beautiful bark and hold. So I have to ask what is your trainer doing that you do not like or agree with and have you talked to him/her about it? In my experience many problems lie in the trainers and handlers not communicating. Sometimes handlers begin to think they know more than the trainer(not saying this is you) or the trainer is unable or unwilling to accept input from the handler or explain why they are doing what they are doing. A good trainer will allow input from the handler and explain why or why not something would not be right at that point in your training.
But another factor you have to evaluate are the possibilities in your area. Where are the good clubs and which sport do they practice there? Where and in which discipline can you find the best team to support you? No way you can do it on your own or with just some people around without experience. IMO you should choose the sport that offers you the best opportunities to train and to compete in your area and then look for the best club and the best trainers. An experienced decoy who can ?read? a dog, give the dog experience and help him where necessary also is a must!
This is excellent advice! For ring sport, I believe Adrian Moreno is in Chicago. For PSA, if you go on the websight it will give you the cental region director ( I believe it is Daryll Richie) and he cans tell you where clubs are in your area.
As far as people being nice---Any sport will have politics and for the most part, in my experience, dog people are not very nice to each other. Money, politics, ego, competition make it challenging for people to get along. That is a big part of dog taining. The dog world somtimes is a very ugly place.
You have a nice dog and seem to have a nice foundation of training. My advice to you would be to make a decision on what you want to do and stick with it. You will gain nothing by jumping all over the place.
Hope this is some help and good luck,
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Christian, Thank you so much for the advice, i will think about everything you just said! And do agree with you about sticking with a sport in good or bad! But when you feel that there is no communication usless it is the trainers and he`s ALWAYSSS right! Then i feel that i`m not learning any more and that i feel my dog is getting the short stick to! Again i think he`s a Great trainer but belittling and cutting people down for not even dog related things Is starting to push a lot of peoples buttons! I know that every dog sport has people that think there dogs or there training is the best , And some times that is true! But i think a REAL TRAINER has it all PLUS COMMUNICATION! I feel that this trainer has it out for mostly Women!!!!!!!!!
You could always take my approach and do them both! My earned his SchH 3 just over a year ago and we just got the Mondioring 3 last month. All that is left for us is the French Ring 3.
I love the style of obedience in SchH and I love the intense guarding and the fact that gripping style is judged (can't say as I like the tracking, however). I love the ever changing environment in Mondioring and the challenge of a decoy trying to outwit your dog in French Ring (the silly rules in FR are a pain!) If I had to pick just one I would pick Mondioring. One thing, no matter the sport you meet people you like and people you don't, good trainers and not so good ones. The best part of switching sports is when you get irritated with one group (or they get irritated by you) you can move on to the next one...just kidding
>>IMO you should choose the sport that offers you the best opportunities to train and to compete in your area and then look for the best club and the best trainers. An experienced decoy who can ?read? a dog, give the dog experience and help him where necessary also is a must!
***Couldn't have said it better Martine!? And I have to add that many use the term 'Ringsport' and don't realize the differences between the various Ringsports...Even between the Ringsports...one can say that some are a 'better test' than others...
Sorry Kendra if I made it even more difficult for you?
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>>But when you feel that there is no communication usless it is the trainers and he`s ALWAYSSS right! Then i feel that i`m not learning any more and that i feel my dog is getting the short stick to! Again i think he`s a Great trainer but belittling and cutting people down for not even dog related things Is starting to push a lot of peoples buttons! I know that every dog sport has people that think there dogs or there training is the best , And some times that is true! But i think a REAL TRAINER has it all PLUS COMMUNICATION! I feel that this trainer has it out for mostly Women!!!!!!!!!
***Kendra...I don't think your question as to 'WHICH sport' even applies here...I'd say you have an issue with an individual trainer and this has nothing to do with either sport...This is a 'human issue' and one that is present in ALL sports...
***I think it's important that newcomers don't see these 'human issues' as a reflection on the validity of any specific program.? ?
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***Couldn't have said it better Martine! And I have to add that many use the term 'Ringsport' and don't realize the differences between the various Ringsports...Even between the Ringsports...one can say that some are a 'better test' than others...
Brigita,
What is your opinion on this? I would like to hear your's, and other's thoughts here.
Matty...Before I reply...just wanted to clarify what your question is...Are you asking me my opinion between the RINGSPORTS? or a comparison between ScH and Ring in general?
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I think it is a personal thing. Each will like one or the other based on what they like to see in a dog. Ringsports I mean. I like them all, and am doing Mondio because it is available. If I live long enough, I would like to do all of them. That way I can be half-a$$ed in all
Matty...Before I reply...just wanted to clarify what your question is...Are you asking me my opinion between the RINGSPORTS? or a comparison between ScH and Ring in general?
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I was asking for your opinion between the ringsports.
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