In Holland Terv. born in Mal litters are registred as mal. If they turn out to be longhaired you can have the pedigree changed when the dog is a year old. The dog needs to be judged first by two judges of the dutch kennelclub (RVBH) So in Holland we have mals running arround the fields that loke like Terv. and some stay Mal on the pedigree all there lives
In Belgium you indeed have to decide at the moment of tatooing and hence registration of the dog. This can happen from 6 weeks. The decision is final, I believe. Same for the color.
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We are having a friendly debate on whether the pup in the picture is a Terv (100% working Mal lines) or not...Any input from those who have bred working long coated 'Mals'? The pup just turned 6 weeks...
I would suspect he'll grow into a Terv, but there are pretty fuzzy puppies who drop coat after six weeks and become normal coated Malinois. Personally, if it were a breeding I knew carried coat, in a country I knew registered "as they fall" and I wanted the bloodlines, even a demi coat is a Terv.
There are two different coats I've seen end up long, as Kadi alluded to. The "plush" pups that end up thick, plush coated adults (no fringes on ears as pups) and the "fringey" pups that end up with at least a mane, breeches, and tail that are long. Those without much undercoat often have a very flat body coat that is long but not dense.
Hold on I'm confussed. If the pup is out of a Mal and his daddy is a Mal why would you? consider it a Terv? And if both parents are Trev why would it be a Mal? I guess that's why I have a Groen. Black is Black.
OK if my history is correct, these breeds were just color and coat variations right? I have been told that in particular Tervs and Mals were crossed to keep coat(along with whatever else) in the Mal from becoming to short.
Jim...I think some depends on the policies of individual countries...Here in Canada...When you register each individual puppy...It asks if the pup is short coated or carries the recessive long coat gene...How long a breeder is allowed in order to change this...if there's an error...I really don't know...As I have never had a long coat.? As Tervs and Mals have basically the 'same' colouring...It's the length of coat that can determine as to what one can register it as...Again one would have to look into the policies of the individual National Kennel Clubs...
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>>And if both parents are Trev why would it be a Mal?
This is where some basic genetics come into play...IF both parents are Tervs...You could never have a Mal out of that litter...You're 'doubling up' on the recessives and it would be impossible to create a Malinois from that combination.? Two tervs will only produce Tervs.?
However, two Malinois CAN (and often do) create Tervs if they are BOTH carriers of the recessive long coat gene....Even though outwardly, both parents are short coated (malinois).
Hope this helps!
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However, two Malinois CAN (and often do) create Tervs if they are BOTH carriers of the recessive long coat gene....Even though outwardly, both parents are short coated (malinois).
I agree, but only with certain bloodlines. In NVBK the Terv % in malinois litters is 0,00%. I remember it happended a few times very long time ago (more then 25 yrs) but nowadays never.
Thats interesting Martine! I would have to agree as I have yet to see (or hear of) a Terv that came from all NVBK lines. As far as Tervs go, what bloodlines do they pop up in often? It looks to me that many French bloodline mals carry that recessive gene. How about KNPV mals?
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So as we all agree, it is impossible that two tervs have malinois' puppies. So what do you say about these: http://www.etulinjan.com/litters/a_litter/a_litter.htm Quite interresting. Are those dogs that are registered as malinois really malinois? ...If they are then Hymy is also malinois.
Hold on I'm confussed. If the pup is out of a Mal and his daddy is a Mal why would you ?consider it a Terv? And if both parents are Trev why would it be a Mal? I guess that's why I have a Groen. Black is Black.
It is the length and the structure of the coat that decides the variety. ?When a puppy out of Mal parents has long hair, it automatically becomes a terv, at least in theory. ?When you have to decide at the age of 7 weeks it is difficult to determine how long the coat will be.
There are still black malinois. ?When you have 1 black malinois and 1 fauve malinois who both carry the gene for long hair, you can have a groenendael.
With regards to the litter Mea mentioned, I agree with her: they are all tervs.
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>>It looks to me that many French bloodline mals carry that recessive gene. How about KNPV mals?
Actually Belgian and Dutch carry it also....But I suppose if we wanted to get technical...they're all Belgian.? --some further back than others...I understood Martine's post to be specific to NVBK and not specific to Belgian lines.? And the same can be said for French bloodlines...and Dutch lines...I think Martine was being program specific.--At least that's how I took it.?
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I understood Martine's post to be specific to NVBK and not specific to Belgian lines.
Yes, indeed, I was talking about NVBK lines (but they also are "Belgian" aren't they ) In fact most of the working malinois in Belgium are NVBK origin.
The studs that carry the long coat gene and put their mark on certain lines haven't been used in the NVBK (as far as I know). Some say G'Bibber produced tervs, but I haven't seen any from him at the time he still was in the NVBK so IMO it didn't come from him but from the mother lines??
I can't judge KNPV of FR since I don't know the dogs well enough.
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--some further back than others...I understood Martine's post to be specific to NVBK and not specific to Belgian lines.? And the same can be said for French bloodlines...and Dutch lines...I think Martine was being program specific.--At least that's how I took it.? 
