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First breed standard
« on: January 08, 2006, 03:36:18 AM »

General Aspects of the Race:

The Belgian Shepherd is an intelligent and rustique dog, adapted to outdoor life, built to withstand the wheather and seasonal changes which are characteristique for the Belgian climate.  As well as its innate skill at guarding flocks, it also possess the highly prized qualities of the best guard dog of property.  If needed, he is, without hesitation, a stubborn and fierce defender of his master.

The Belgian Shepherd is a watchful and active dog, constantly in motion.  He has the tendancy to move in circles rather than in a straight line.

Head: Long and pointy muzzle

Cranial Region: Large, rather flat than rounded
      Stop: Moderate

Facial Region:
      Nose: Black
      Eyes: Brown, give the dog an intelligent look
      Ears: Triangular, stiff, well placed, upright and medium large

Neck: cylindrique, slightly elongated

Body:
      Topline:, horizontal, strong and of medium length
      Chest: Little broad, but well let down like for all fast animals
      Underline: moderately developped

Tail: strong at the base, of good length with certain particularities per variety.  At rest carried down, with curved backwards at the level of the hock; more raised when moving, although without passing the horizontal, the curve towards the tip becoming more accentuated, without ever at any time forming a hook or deviation.  Note: there are certain dogs that are born without tail and a partial tail.

Limbs:
Forequaters:
      Shoulder: Shoulder blade and oblique, forming a sufficient angle with the humerus
      Forearm:Long

Hindquaters:
      Buttock and thigh: well muscled
      Leg: long
      Feet: round, cat feet
      Aplomb: regular

Size: on average 55 cm.

Coat: very variables, black, brown, brindled brown, grey, earth colors, etc.

Hair: always abundant, close-fitting, forming an excellent protective cover.  The length, aspect and direction of the hairs vary greatly between the Belgian shepherd, it is the criterium for the distinction between the 3 varieties:

A - Long Hair:

Distinctive characteristics: Smooth hair on the whole body excepton the head and outer side of the ears and lower part of the legs.  The opening of the ears is protected by thick tuftd of hair
The neck: Framed by long and abundant hair forming a collarette
Tail: Hair is forming a plume
Forearm: On the rear side the long hairs form so-called fringes
Buttocks: Covered at the back with very long and abundant hair

B - Rough Hair: Differs from the previous the the hair is not smooth but tousled, medium-long and more uniformly distributed.
Muzzle: must have furnishings
Tail: does not form a plume

C - Short Hair:
General characteristics: semi-short hair over the entire body, short on the head.
Neck: longer around the neck, forming a collarette
Buttocks:Covered at the back with longer hair, laid out in a line and inclining inwards
Tail: is ear of corn shaped

Points:

General Aspect              10 points
Head                              9 points
Topline and tail              9 points
Chest and underline      5 points
Extremities                    8 points
Coat                              9 points

Total                              50 points
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Re: First breed standard
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2006, 10:02:54 PM »

A friend? of mine recently told me that if you compare the original BSD standard to the original GSD standard, the BSD was actually supposed to be taller.? I know in the current AKC standard the dogs are supposed to be the same height.

Can any one prove or disprove the claim that the original BSD standard was taller than the orginal GSD standard?

I did find the following, but they are more recent not the original standards for each breed.

F.C.I. Standard No 166 dated 23/3/91
GENERAL APPEARANCE - The German Shepherd Dog is medium sized, slightly elongated, powerful and well muscled, the bones dry and the overall structure firm.
Important Proportions: The height of withers:?
for dogs is 60-65 cm (23? - 25? ins), and? ?
for bitches 55-60 cm (21? - 23? ins).
The length of the body is greater than the height at the withers by about 10 to 17%.

F.C.I. Standard No 15 dated 16/10/1989 (BSD)
SIZE:?
The desired height (at the withers) is on average:62 cm (241?2 ins) for dogs
58 cm (23 ins) for bitches.
Tolerances: minus 2cm (3?4in), and plus 4cm (11?2 ins).
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Re: First breed standard
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2006, 12:27:20 AM »

I didn't find anything.  But I did find pictures of the GSD throughout time.

http://www.dogstuff.info/gsd_history.html

If you really want know, I can ask Robert Pollet when I see him a show.  He really knows the history of the GSD.  According to him the standard of the GSD has changed a lot (certainly in comparison with the standard of the BSD)

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Re: First breed standard
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2006, 02:12:55 AM »

I didn't find anything.? But I did find pictures of the GSD throughout time.

http://www.dogstuff.info/gsd_history.html

If you really want know, I can ask Robert Pollet when I see him a show.? He really knows the history of the GSD.? According to him the standard of the GSD has changed a lot (certainly in comparison with the standard of the BSD)

Saskia

Don't ask this guy anything about BSD. Based on his performances on a few shows i visited where he was judge i dare say that he hasn't a clue what he is talking about or he has a hidden agenda.

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Re: First breed standard
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2006, 02:29:05 AM »

I know he has the old standards of the GSD so he will be able to tell the original size of the GSD.

He is considered to be a good all-round judge with a good overall knowledge of the BSD and also well accepted by his breed judge collegues.  He just looks from a different perspective than you do.

His wife on the other hand is of a lesser quality.  Prefers really short bodied dogs.



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Re: First breed standard
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2006, 09:00:44 PM »

He is considered to be a good all-round judge with a good overall knowledge of the BSD and also well accepted by his breed judge collegues.? He just looks from a different perspective than you do.

His wife on the other hand is of a lesser quality.? Prefers really short bodied dogs.





I accept the fact that there are other opinions about Dogs and how they should be, no problem there. But when a respectable judge starts to judge against standards and this with a certain level off consistancy (saw the guy 3 times and each time he placed dogs that, in my opinion, should be put down for the breeds sake first (crude way off saying they su%%)) i have problem.

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Re: First breed standard
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2006, 06:39:16 PM »

He is considered to be a good all-round judge with a good overall knowledge of the BSD and also well accepted by his breed judge collegues.? He just looks from a different perspective than you do.

His wife on the other hand is of a lesser quality.? Prefers really short bodied dogs.





I accept the fact that there are other opinions about Dogs and how they should be, no problem there. But when a respectable judge starts to judge against standards and this with a certain level off consistancy (saw the guy 3 times and each time he placed dogs that, in my opinion, should be put down for the breeds sake first (crude way off saying they su%%)) i have problem.

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well, I must agree with you Johan,
I saw mr. Pollet once with this dog


and this wasnt a malinois he told me....what it was he couldnt tell me....
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Re: First breed standard
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2007, 10:58:18 PM »

From what you can see on the picture the dog in NOT a malinois but some result of GSD xBSD X HuhHuh?

May be M. POLLET rescued that dog and never cared about the breed Huh?
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Re: First breed standard
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2007, 04:25:04 PM »

I never judge a dog on a picture because lighting and angels can create a different perception of dogs so I will not comment on whether Robert's decision was correct or not unless I know and have seen the dog and really paid attention to the dog.

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Re: First breed standard
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2007, 01:00:18 PM »

From what you can see on the picture the dog in NOT a malinois but some result of GSD xBSD X HuhHuh?

My youngster Faust looks like Pollet's dog. But done dare to call him GSD cross !!
You b*stards with all the swear words jumping in Belgian World ...  Azn
(actually: Faust is no Malinois either  Roll Eyes )


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