What do you do about a dog who barks, whines during training? Yentos is so keen on working that waiting his turn is a real nightmare for him. He cannot be quiet for more than 2 minutes and then 60 minutes is a very long time. It does not only annoy me at certain times, but it also disturbs the other people in my class.
I have tried rewarding him when he is silent, I have punished him, I have tried to give him a ball so he would shut up but amazingly he has mastered the art of barking with a ball in his mouth, I have tried using the working itself as an excersise so that each time he is silent he can do an exersise but when you are with a big group this is difficult.
When he is doing an exersise he is silent and training on my own, no problem but all competitions are in a group so I have to be able to overcome this problem.
Any tips are most welcome.
Saskia
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Well I have the same problem. I just finished my beginner obedience class with Raider. He can not be quiet when other dogs work. Well, they said to me I must be calm with him an stroke him with looong strokes and talk to him calmly, maby give him some candy at the same time. And it really works out, he gets more calm, I cant belive it. They alsaw said, if he starts barking I must turn around my self and the dog from the other dogs and do the same thing, then its easier for the dog to calm down the first times you are doing this.
They alsow said, I must do it at home too, when we are alone, stroke him and say he is doing well when he calmes down so he knows what he must do when you begin to stroke him outside if he is barking ?
And when you are training him, use this calm ways to tell him he is doing well more often then making him creazy and jumping after a boll or someting...
Well it workes out for me and Raidy...maby it will work out for you too...
« Last Edit: November 27, 2004, 08:11:07 PM by admin »
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No, it does not matter whether I stroke him or not whether I talk to him calmly or not. Turning away does not help either because he understands the commands of the other dogs so he knows they are working and he has to wait.
When he is not working he is always calm, he never barks, whines or other things.
Before I went to ring training I had him reasonably silent but at ring training they told me not to let him hold back and let him bark. He even made noise when he was biting. When it became too much the ring intructor told me to use an electric collar which I refuse to use as I know I can not use it correctly and it makes me feel like I am not a good owner.
Raider is still a young dog with lots of energy but Yentos is nearly 6, you would have expected he would have already calmed down a bit. Believe it or not he is even impatient in the show ring and he wants to bark there as well.
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well...then its a big problem, I hope somebody can help you out :-/
Yes, Raider is very young and I hope he will calm down after a while, if Im doing the right thing with him.
Electric collar, if nothing else workes why not try? But yes its a problem, because you would maby feel bad if you use it...and if its not used properly you could brake down the dog.
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Does your dog understand the differance between barking and silance? Sometimes it works to put barking under command like an exercise and than train the dog to be stil again. Is it possible to make the distance between the dog and the training field so big that he calms down? If so you can start by rewarding this silance and then move forward towards the ring step by step, as soon as he starts to bark you turn arround and go back outside his exitement "circle". I've seen something like this work in Ipo training, they learnd the dog that the sleef on the floor ment, end of game. So this became a correction for the dog. As soon as the dog started to bark the helper stepped away and put the sleef down. The dog had a time out . This worked really wel and this was a high drive dog! I do not think it's a good idee but if you do want to use an electric collar and worry about timing use a barking collar instead. If your dog is sensetive a spray collar may work even better and is less likely to traumatise the dog. And then sometimes it might be better to live with the problem.
I have the same problem. Mine even barks when we train. Its allways a problem when he gets overexcited. In defence we are traying to solve this, that he only gets rewarded when he is concentrating and silent. Also in training obediance. He also knows the word silent and what it means. During the time other people train he is allways left in the car in his box. That does calm him down. It does not work every time but he is getting better. The problem is just fast moving objects. He sometimes even prefers to bark at them then biting them. Sometimes when walking him, he would find a stick or something similar and start to tose it around and bark at it. The worse is when I take him riding with me. In that few minutes when he has to wait for us to saddle and mount the horse he goes completlly crazy and no comand helps. When we ride its ok, he just does not like us stoping.
Funny thing is at home he is completlly silent and calm. He is not at all sensitive to noise at night or anything similar.
« Last Edit: November 26, 2004, 05:12:05 PM by Maja »
Maybe I should explain how we train obedience at our club.
It is on one big terrain and 3 smaller seperate ones surround by a fence. On this terrain you have several different classes at the same time and even agility on one of the closed terrains. So stepping of the field is not an option as I will just run into another class and seing another dog work is enough for him to get exited and stepping out of the class will not be tolerated. Neither are electric or cintronella collars. When I am not in class he does not have this behaviour.
Yentos knows perfectly well what barking and being silent is. But rewarding him everytime when he is silent is difficult because you have to pay attention when the instructor is explaining the exersises. If he is silent and I am paying attention when the intructor is talking I miss his silent period and miss the reward. I am even not sure whether or not he knows that when he makes a noise and then shuts up he is rewarded by a treat. What I am currently doing is let him lie down at a distance from me as his biggest punishment is not being able to be with me.
His biggest problem is his energy of which he has too much during training. When it is the fetch exersise I now turn him away, try to cover his eyes and ears at the same time but still he feel the dummy falling on the ground.
I personally have less of a problem with his whining (which happens more often than barking) but the other people have a problem when it becomes too much (even if they have a BSD). Other people have tried to correct him but he just ignores them. I know that it has to do with his bloodlines. Mother is 11 and still highly energetic, grandmother was high energetic until high age, father the same thing, 2 out of 4 greatgrandfathers are IPO3 dogs
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I'm afraid it will be really hard to solve if it's impossible to create a distance between the dog and the training field. If you choose a way to trie and stop the barking you must make sure you can use it all the time if not you are putting it on a interval sceduale and this can worsen your problem and even re?nforce it. Especcialy with these kind of problems your chance of making it worse is big since the dog feels rewarded all the time. In the end you go and do your training so he learnes that keeping it up finally brings him the thing he wants. If you want to train hands off this is the way to re?nforce behaviour and make an animal to preform long and motivated. Currently I'm training a parrot (not for Ipo ) and he can not were a chooking collar ore be forced into dooing things, stretching the time for a reward makes him work harder. Interval does wonders so unless you are able to find a way to stop him from getting his reward I do not think you can solve this. Maybe more people have idees I would love to hear them. Beeing highly motivated to work is one of the best things in our breed but can be a pain as wel.
My male groenendael developed barking problem whe he became older about 5years, untill that he was silent always when I was training/competing with him. He concentrated totally but somehow we lost it...
I realized that he was too excited and thats why he couldnt keep himself silent anymore, untill that I had been awarding him almost only with ball or bitetoy because he was crazy about them. Trying to change the situation to better I got good results from making training moments shorter, keeping myself very mimeless, giving commands with more silent voice and low tone, and food for award mostly.
It helps to avoid this kind of problems if you will take only one dog at the time for obedience training. Othervise the one that is waiting gets this problem quite fast. For my male it probably was the one that gave start for the problem.
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) and he can not were a chooking collar ore be forced into dooing things, stretching the time for a reward makes him work harder. Interval does wonders so unless you are able to find a way to stop him from getting his reward I do not think you can solve this. Maybe more people have idees I would love to hear them.
