Well I wish you the best of luck in getting back Nepo's type...He is a very nice Terv.? You see just because I am 100% a working Malinois person...doesn't mean I can't recognize or appreciate a nice looking dog!!! I am well aware of the standards...but let's face it...today's SHOW Tervs don't look a whole lot like Nepo....Do you have any pics of him stacked/full body shots from the side?
Thanks
Brigita
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Ok that's fine lol....I know what you mean...Try taking a picture of a Malinois standing still...I have tried...with little success! I completely understand...I was just hoping I could see the rest of him...and was curious as to his body 'type' as I really did like his head!? But thanks anyway!
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lol...no I think the mom would tell her son what is allowed and what is not!!!?
She is teaching him early the proper conduct!
Do you have the pic of the son in this picture?? He looks like he actually has a moderate 'stop' from this angle...It's a rare thing to see in today's Terv heads and I would like to get a better a picture of him.
Thank you!
B
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In my B-litter stops were long and sculls round, at least they had heads, but also they had too pinched muzzles.
Romppu (Boromir)
His sister Dura (Bibber)
Brother Jami (Benjamin)
That shape of too long stop also went to Boris's litter. Ezequiel
So in standard way of thinking I should concentrate more on heads in breeding. But I'd rather have long than not at all... Also for me I still like some other qualities than flat head But that way I will never have a World Winner. Should I be devostated now? Hmmm... I don't think so
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Ok, now things are getting little out of hand here.. You guys started posting pictures instead of commenting the standard about head. It would be better to express your opinion on head not look for pictures and post them so others can see. Poor those who use dial up connection and wait 10 minutes to load a page.
If you want to show off your dogs just open a new thread under our dogs or kennels and put link to gallery there.
One more thing about posting and commenting pictures: you guys find the worst you can, don't ask for permission and by doing that you might hurt someone else than the owner or kennel of that specific dog. For instance Jenni you posted a dog that is bred and lives in England (at least from what I understand) but picture is on kennel Daebei's site.. so someone might think this is Daebei breeding or their dog.
Malndobe posted pics so you guys can use and comment so that is ok with me although maybe it would be better if it would be links but ok.. no problem and thank you malndobe (loved the hawai one).
When you guys post pictures please don't over do it.. for comparison ok you can use 2 pics and than comment.. ofcourse as long as you have copyright of pics or permission to use them.
About who is breeding what is for me not importaint.. old lines, french lines, new lines, god knows what kind of lines.. and above all try to stay respectfull although other head might be the worst thing imaginable for you.
To me it doesen't comes to what someone likes but what standard is about, to find some middle line where people can meet.
So this is little guidance so this thread doesen't go the wrong way..
One more, just an idea, maybe this thread is not only about tervueren but all belgians and ofcourse not just about showlines.. I would like to see a working mal head too..
Bye, Raven
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We can not use pics, but our own, we can use and can comment and then again we can't. So if I don't have pics of mal, laeken or gro, I can not lend them without permission, nor post and if I post and comment what I can, I can not.
Try to decide now.
Or clean it up and delete all and start again, so you'll be happy.
Sorry to bother all the time, because I have no idea anymore, who can do and what and who can not and if anyone else won't at least I can not. Odd job.
J
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1. You can use pictures, no problem but take in consideration here are people who have dial up connection (telephone lines) and loading a page that contains 10 pictures takes it's time. We have 10 mb connection and for us it takes a second.. use links if you use more than 2 pics.. put 2 pics on and the rest add as links (this will definitly become a rule for whole forum as we are working on new rules)..
2. Asking for permission again has nothing to do with me but with people who own pictures.. if you want to piss someone off ok no problem, you alone take responsibility for your actions.. however you could just link to webpage that contains that picture and problem solved.
I don't know is this hard to understand or are my english skills causing problems? I am not here to make your life misserable but to try and keep things getting out of hand...
Bye, Raven
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Raven, just one question - Rui said that this should not be about dogs but about the standard and I couldn't agree more. We should be as objective as possible and also discrete in order not to hurt someone's feelings; isn't it better then to post a pic or maybe the link to that specific picture than to link the breeder? I think it is better to give the link just to the picture of the terv Jenni posted than to state the breeder and kennel as they could get (more) offended by exposing their kennel than just criticising that specific dog...
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Raven, just one question - Rui said that this should not be about dogs but about the standard and I couldn't agree more. We should be as objective as possible and also discrete in order not to hurt someone's feelings; isn't it better then to post a pic or maybe the link to that specific picture than to link the breeder? I think it is better to give the link just to the picture of the terv Jenni posted than to state the breeder and kennel as they could get (more) offended by exposing their kennel than just criticising that specific dog...
Ursa
Those pics I sent, only about one I originally knew what dog it was. If someone sends a pic of my dog and says it is yuck, so what? What is there to get offended? This is now the thing I can not understand. I have a lots of yuck-dogs in my own breedings too. That just happens and things go wrong. Bad characters, bad conformations, bad bites, hip dysplasia, epileptic and one monkey. That is just how it is. If someone says that all my breedings are like that I laugh. Because then it is obvious that commentator can not read, and that might cause problems also understanding the conversation going on. Especially on forum.
Other funny thing is that I could not possibly know how many pics was allowed to send in this one, because loads could be sent in other conversation. And because somethings are sometimes ok and sometimes not and I don't own a crystalball, it is pretty hard to guess the politics of the day. And because moderating of our own posts is not possible, it is pretty much impossible to fix things.
So I'd be very happy, if politics would be the same to everyone in every thread and you wouldn't ask things that we can not even do.
This is how much we understand even this forum. So how could we possibly understand something much more complicated and sophisticated thing like breed standard?
J
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I know there is the issue of getting permission. But putting photo's over links is much more preferable than links.
If I post a picture then I am probably the only one who knows where this dog is coming from and who is using this dog for breeding.
1. People are more objective because they don't know the dog 2. And in case the people are offended when their dogs are critisised in general (not on this forum), it is more difficult to trace back the owner and breeder of the dog so less offending going on. Providing a link will, in my opinion, increase this.
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Raven, just one question - Rui said that this should not be about dogs but about the standard and I couldn't agree more. We should be as objective as possible and also discrete in order not to hurt someone's feelings; isn't it better then to post a pic or maybe the link to that specific picture than to link the breeder? I think it is better to give the link just to the picture of the terv Jenni posted than to state the breeder and kennel as they could get (more) offended by exposing their kennel than just criticising that specific dog... Ursa
Hi!
The problem 1. with pics is not because of kennels but about copyright.. problem 2. is that some pictures are on other kennels site and by doing that some people will belive this is that kennels breeding. Bambi I think you know how it is in mojpes.net forum.. one million rules.. only difference is that there rules are written.. and that will be soon here too.
Again Jenni it is not about who posts pictures but who?s pictures are.. About how many it is problem for those with slow internet connection.. I have no problem with this since 10mb connection loads it very fast. You take this personaly like I am stoping you to post pictures.. is it really so hard to use link? If I would be against your pictures I would remove them and that would be it.
If you guys want to have problems with other people about copyright no problem.. I gave you friendly advice... you do what you think is best.
Bye, Raven
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here a head that is considered (by nowadays judges) not typical BSD but what (as far as I'm concerned) has a really nice stop, and nice parallel lines, YES, his eye could be darker, but you can not have everything...... and yes it is a wide head, but why are almost all the epileptic problems to be found in the varieties that are (at this moment) mostly bred for their small heads.................
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But that way I will never have a World Winner. Should I be devostated now? Hmmm... I don't think so 
