You may find, if you do a lil reasearch (ie. google names, other boards, etc). Such opinions are usually offered up by those whose experience in such matters is all but non existant. I'm sure the guys and girls who are out there working really hard to strengthen the breed in the US really appreciate blanket statements like "In North America unfortunatly, your dog can be blind, cripple and crazy and still get a confirmation championship and still be allowed to breed and be registered, that is why American lines are not even worth 1cent because the copper to print it would be to expensive. EU is the way to go" I was unaware that the entire EU is now requiring working titles to breed. Please Chris, drop some knowledge on us. Oh master of the Malinois (board)
I don 't mind having working tests for show champions but the situation here in Belgium is all but ideal. I first to train Yentos for his CQN when he was 1.5 years old, after a little more than a year, they changed the test. We are now 3 years further and they are again going to change the test. I have given up on each time switching. But nobody can obtain a working test without the help of a decoy and experienced instructors. But working dog clubs are not very happy with having show dogs come to their training. And I can assure you that hearing time and time again how show lined dogs are not good enough etc, etc is not the best way of pursuading people to obtain a working title.
I know that Yentos is able to do it although he does not have a certificate. Although I cannot become a Belgian champion, I can become a champion in another country.
On the other hand, can working dogs obtain a working title without obtain a good result in conformation??? In my opinion not.
With regards to American lines, the following was written by Pauline Stern-Hanf, show judge and owner (together with her partner) of the Van De Hoge Laer kennel:
A judge that is not a breeder or a breed specialist:
The result of breeding without breedspecialists can be seen in countries like the U.S.A. Since the 1930's, BSDs were exported to the US. A population was built from these dogs. These dogs were judged by judges who did not know the breed. This led to a selection on coat (lots and plenty) en through misunderstanding of the breed standard, people thought that the dogs needed charbonn? as much as possible. Since the judges wer most of the time GSD judges, the dogs were most of the time judged on their gait. One didn't know the shorter gait of the square BSD so the dog who were longer and had shorter legs but a reaching gait won.
This resulted at a certain moment in a type of dogs that did not resemble the BSDs of Europe. The dogs differed at a certain moment so much from the European longhaired dogs that the people in the US proposed to create a new breed "the American Tervueren".
This is part of an article written by Mrs Stern-Hanf in the club magazine of the Dutch breed club (issue 1 year 2005).
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In the UK, to become a Champion, the dog needs to be awarded a Challenge Certificate (also known as a CC or "ticket") under three different judges, that is needs 3 CCs each from a different judge.
Unfortunately not all breeds are considered numerically strong enough to be granted CCs. Currently only Tervuerens and Groenendaels can gain CCs and thus become Champions, although Malinois have been granted CCs commencing next year.
My beloved Laekenois have still got a long way to go before there will be a UK Champion!
In Finland BSD's needs to get a workingtitle from second level in working trials for example IP2 (you-know-what ), JK2 (tracking), HK2 (search), EK2(special search+tracking), VK2 (message)
to become a show champion. From shows 3 CAC from different judges during 2 different years (=cant become Ch before 2years of age...)
If a dog has these qualifications in Sweden - does that count in Finland? or do a Belgian Shepherd need to compete in working trials in Finland first as well?? (Hoping you would know...)
In Austria, national championship is obtained with 4 CAC from three different judges, the first and the last have to be at least one year apart. Same rule for dogs from other countries.
In Slovenia, the same rule, but here, there have to be four different judges, and at least two of the CACs have to be earned at international shows.
No working test compulsory in neither of these two countries.
For the permission to breed in Austria, though, every dog has to pass the national character test, and have at least several "good" show results. In former years, IPO and ÖPO were accepted as an alternative of the character test, but starting from this year, this is not the case anymore.
In Brazil, to become a champion the dog has to obtein differnt number of CACīs , deppending on sex, no working trial required. dogs 7 CACīs sirens 5 CACīs all from different judges.
Must qualify as a CH., will be awarded a CGC to dogs judged excelent.and has to earn some points 1-5, the judge decides how many will be awarded to each CH. dog. males - will have to have at least 70 points from 5 different judges females - 50 points from 5 different judges
there are also panamerican championship. and the international championship.
Are there so many titles atributed on any other countries?
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