This is in Swedish, someone on the forum who can translate?? Its Erik Wilsson declaring about the puppy tests..
The "Paper/article he and P-E Sundgren wrote is called: ""Behaviour test for eight-week old puppies-heritabilities of tested behaviour traits and its correspondence to later behaviour """
Mentaltest f?r unghundar
Erik Wilsson avslutade dagen med att ber?tta om mentaltester gjorda p? Hundskolan. Det unika med det materialet ?r att man testat ett stort antal hundar som vuxit upp under likartade f?rh?llanden.
Arvbarheten av mentala egenskaper varierar men ?r f?rh?llandevis l?g. M?tbara egenskaper ger h?gre arvbarhet ?n egenskaper som vi endast kan uppskatta.
Arvbarheten m?ts p? en skala fr?n 0-1. Ju h?gre tal desto h?gre arvbarhet.
Under arbetet vid Hundskolan har det klart bevisats att tester man g?r p? valpar inte har n?gon betydelse f?r hur den vuxna hunden blir. Det ?r viktigare att v?lja r?tt f?r?ldrar ?n att f?rs?ka ta r?tt valp i kullen utifr?n mentala egenskaper. Eriks r?d - g?r ej valptest, det fungerar ej!
Uppf?darna uppmanades att i val av avelshundar fr?ng? enbart individselektion (t.ex. ta stj?rnan ur en i ?vrigt medioker kull) till att ?verg? till familjeselektion (se mer till syskonen t.ex. ta den b?sta individen ur den bra kullen).
Vi m?ste skilja p? bra avelsdjur och bra bruksdjur. K?nnetecknande f?r ett bra avelsdjur ?r att det l?mnar bra avkommor.
Att starta en mentaltestverksamhet ?r ett gigantiskt arbete t.ex. skall testare utbildas, protokoll tryckas m.m. Skall man p?b?rja ett s?dant projekt m?ste det finnas ett stort behov. Erik avr?dde oss p? det best?mdaste.
S?ndagen 21/2
Uppf?dningsmilj?ns p?verkan p? valparna
Fil.dr. Erik Wilsson presenterade sin doktorsavhandling i ?mnet. Men f?rst avslutade vi g?rdagens diskussion ang?ende tester. Det ?r ?ven sv?rt att g?ra unghundsm?nstringar som ger n?gon information av v?rde. Det ?r f?rst n?r jaktlusten kopplas p? som vi ser vad som finns inneboende i hunden. Erik avr?dde ?ven fr?n s?dana tester. Det ?r inge id? att g?ra tester och prov som inte ger n?gon vettig information. Vi f?r leva med att f?gelhundar till st?rre del ?r p?verkade av f?raren och att det ?r sv?rare att avg?ra vad som ?r genotyp och fenotyp ?n hos ?vriga jakthundstyper. Jaktproven l?mnar mycket information men de kan f?rb?ttras.
Genetiskt sett p?verkar hane och tik avkomman lika mycket, men tiken p?verkar fostren i uppf?dningsmilj?n, den p?b?rjas redan i livmodern.
Vid 6-8 veckor ska tiken avv?nja valparna. G?r tiken detta p? ett bra s?tt har vi stor hj?lp av det n?r vi tar ?ver valpens fostran. Om tiken inte klarar sin uppgift f?r valparna inte l?ra att underordna sig. Vid tester d?r valparna separerades fr?n tiken vid 6 veckor finns stora skillnader i valpens beteende i f?rh?llande till valpar som f?r g? med tiken till 10 veckor, speciellt vid kontakt med m?nniskan. Men en d?lig tik ger samma effekt som ingen tik alls. Man skall d?rf?r inte avla p? en tik som inte kan fostra valpar.
Handlingeffekt - en valp som uts?tts f?r m?ttlig stress blir mer stresst?lig som vuxen.
Vikten vid 50 dagars ?lder p?verkar beteendet hos hundarna b?de som valpar och vuxna. Speciellt g?ller det tikvalpar.
Valpens liggunderlag och ?vrig omgivning har permanent betydelse f?r hundens vidare beteendeutveckling.
F?rmodligen ?r valpar anpassade f?r en n?got kargare uppf?dningsmilj? ?n den vi bjuder. Kanske g?r detta dem k?nsligare mentalt som vuxna.
Det ?r viktigt att tiken klarar av valpningen sj?lv. St?r ej, iaktta bara och ingrip endast om n?got h?ller p? att g? snett.
Tiken skall f? vara i enskildhet de f?rsta 2 veckorna. Ingen ?verdriven v?rme i form av v?rmelampa el.dyl. V?rmen skall vara anpassad till tiken.
Pr?gling - social identifikation gentemot tik och syskon. Valpen blir hund och kan sedan umg?s med andra hundar. Detta sker vid 3-12 veckor. Vid 7 veckor pr?glas valpen maximalt p? m?nniska. det r?cker med sammanlagt 40 minuters kontakt.
Valpens uppf?dningsmilj? (om den inte varit extremt underm?lig) p?verkar inte n?mnv?rt slutprodukten som vuxen hund.
Well we could try with swedish to english online translator but I guess translation won?t be too correct. Now all we need to do is find someone with time...
Mental tests for Young dogs These are short notes from a breeding seminar for Hunting dogs held by Fil Dr Erik Wilsson
Erik Wilsson ended the day by telling about mental tests done at ?Hundskolan? (Govermental Educationcenter) The Unique thing about this material is that the tests has been done on? a large amount of dogs that has the a similar upbringing.
The inheritance? Of mental qualities varies but is in comparibility low. Measuerable qualities give a higher rate of inheritance than qualities that we can only ?guess? /appreciate /
Inheritance is measured by a scale of 0-1 The higher number the higher? inheritance.
During the work at ?Hundskolan? it was proven clear that the tests made on puppies had no impact/meaning/ influence on how the dog would develope as an adult Its more crucial to choose parents than to choose the right puppy from mental qualities.
Erik Wilsons advice, do not perform puppy tests ? It doesn?t work!
Breeders where encouraged to in choosing breeding material leave ?individual? thinking(i e take the star of an in average? mediocre? litter)
To instead go to ?family selection? Look more to the siblings? and take the best individual? for breeding from a good , strong litter.
We must separate good breeding animals from good working animals The sign for good breeding animals is that they GIVE strong working animals.
Sunday? 21/2
Affect of Environment on puppies
Fil.dr. Erik Wilsson presented a ?Doctors Paper? on the subject. But first the discussion of mentaltest from yesterday was ended.
And here is a long text about hunting dogs, and a breed clubs discussion about testing young dogs for hunting drive, conclusion was that the hunting drive can only be seen for real while hunting ?in real life? no tests can ever match up to that, also handler influence will always be a part that has to be considered, especially for "bird dogs? (Vorsteh, Setters and so on) they are more handler sensitive. Advice was to not start any tests that didn?t really say anything. Testing puppies will not give any answers.... and also the trials for hunting dogs where under debate.
Genetically the male and female affects the offspring equal but the female influences the unborn puppies, It starts already in the womb. And also during the first weeks
At 6-8 weeks the female will start teaching the puppies not to ?suckle? And start ?discipline? the puppies. If she does this in a good way we are to benefit from that while taking over the upbringing from the female. If the female don?t do it right the puppies will not learn the ?submit? behaviour. Tests on puppies at 6 weeks where the puppies were separated from the female showed a large difference from puppies that where left with the female to 10 weeks of age.? Especially regarding contact with humans. But a bad female give the same influence as no female at all.
So Don?t breed on a female that can?t proper raise and dicipline her puppies.
A puppy that is put up to a reasonable amount of stress will handle stress better as an adult-
The weight at 50 days of the puppy will affect the behaviour of the dog, both as a young dog as well as an adult. This is especially affecting female puppies.
The material that the puppies sleep on and the rest of their surroundings have permanent influence of the dogs further? behaviour development. Probably are puppies adapted to a bit harsher environment than we offer , and if we make their "living environment" too "soft" that might make them more sensitive mentally? as adults.
Its important that the female can handle the birth herself, don?t disturb, just watch, only interfere if something obviously is going wrong.
The female should be left alone for the first two weeks, .No extra heating from a lamp or heater. The heat should be adapted to the female .
INPRINTING-Social identification. Towards female and siblings . The puppy turns into a ?dog? and can associate with other dogs . This happens at 3-12 weeks of age. At 7 week the imprinting is maximum against Humans and 40 minutes of contact to a human is enough!
The environment where the puppy grows up (kennel, kitchen, garden and so son) (if it has not been extremely bad) does not really affect the end product as an adult dog.
Marie thank you so much. I'm sure that took some effort, I really appreciate it. It also made me realize we lost track and/or I did not effectively communicate my original question about this test.
I was told this test originated many years ago in Germany by Shutzhund trainers. The ideology is that in this one test you get a good measure of the raw genetically produced prey drive,prey aggression, fight drive,and courage of the puppy, with some environmetnal reads as well.? ? ? ? ?
This test is not supposed to magically forsee how a puppy will turn out as an adult. It is supposed to measure the raw genetic material the puppy posseses. This is the point I lost track of.
In the FIRST part of this article(the second talks of environment and that is where our discussion turned) gives the basis for the arguement for my friends test if, in fact, it does test WHAT HAS BEEN DELIVERED TO THE PUPPY GENETICALLY!
The inheritance? Of mental qualities varies but is in comparibility low. Measuerable qualities give a higher rate of inheritance than qualities that we can only ?guess? /appreciate /
During the work at ?Hundskolan? it was proven clear that the tests made on puppies had no impact/meaning/ influence on how the dog would develope as an adult Its more crucial to choose parents than to choose the right puppy from mental qualities.
This is what I failed to communicate. This test is not supposed to be a "mental test" but an inherited/genetic one!!!!! In my non-scientific observations of many of these tests and participating in the training of many of these dogs I can't deny the fact that puppies who perform well on these tests almost always end up showing a high level of at least SOME of the qualities needed for bitework as an adult!!!!!!!
This is the basis of my question and it took this article to get me back on track and try to explain the point of my original basis for this discussion....Genetics not environment
I will comment on Teus's outstanding article in my next post. Does this change any opinions? Why or why not?
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"I have come to see my dogs as a reflection of my willingness to try to improve, as well as an unsparing measure of my frequent failures in doing so."
the basis for the arguement for my friends test if, in fact, it does test WHAT HAS BEEN DELIVERED TO THE PUPPY GENETICALLY!
I would like to start discussion into this direction as you point. I still am not sure, convinced, this test will show what has been delivered genitically.
Badly enough I don't have much time this period, due to my business, to write more about this subject. But you have my interest as sparring partner !!
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This is in Swedish, someone on the forum who can translate??
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Tomorrow I will have a translation ready for you 
In my non-scientific observations of many of these tests and participating in the training of many of these dogs I can't deny the fact that puppies who perform well on these tests almost always end up showing a high level of at least SOME of the qualities needed for bitework as an adult!!!!!!!
