There will always be stories and always people who see things differently and will not be satisfied with everything.
Actually. I am told I didn't miss anything despite some great dogs. I think what I am told is this: I wouldn't like the whole C-program at all and the frustration of visitors was too high. Many times nobody could hear the judge giving his commentatory due to whistle choir and the boo. Those stories tells something else than judgement of the decoy's.
Actually.... I think Holland did very well. So that part is no big deal at all :-)
I have only the video clips to see but, for sure, the re-attacks by the decoy(s) are incorrect. The decoy is supposed to attack the dog directly, not run in a circle first to his left.
This is especially true in the case of Ivan's Django. Now Django is not the strongest protection however.... I think it was on the front half, Django is guarding. Django is positioned to the right (stick hand) of the decoy and not directly centered on the decoy. Instead of attacking Django directly, the decoy - in effect - runs away from the dog (turns to his left) and now all the Django has to bite is the end of the sleeve barrel as the decoy continues to circle away. This is incorrect decoy work.
There is only one prey bite in the IPO routine and that is the escape bite after the guarding in the blind. All the rest of the bites are defense (attack) bites, i.e, the decoy directly attacks the dog or handler.
I am not the expert but from watching videos I found one decoying a little strange, I might be wrong but here goes (watch arround 2nd minute of movie):
Those video's does show me some weird moments happened there: to keep the sleeve away from the dog is one and another bad thing: IPO is sleeve focus, not man focus. I have seen another video of the decoy trying to impress the dog in guard as if French Ring. Weird... very weird.
I go with Danny and his remarks and beside that bad to see Django pushed in such situation. Let's say I do think this WC protection part wasn't really sport and professional at all.
But what if I have worked very hard to train an average dog and we qualify for a National or International event?
The rules are very clear. In FR we try to esquive the dog. In IPO we attack the dog.
It's a very frustrating aspect of dog sports. We train and we train. And then, after much time and work, we compete. And then a judge makes up a new rule (like the dog can not touch the article in tracking, or the sound of the bark is not quite right in guarding, or the dog downs slowly on the article, etc.) or a decoy works the dog in a way that no one is familiar with.
It's true though, a good dog will at least get on the sleeve - even if the sleeve presentation is poor and the grip is partial.
There are so many variables. This sport can be maddening.
well however you turn it, good dogs will allways be good dogs...the real fighter will allways get the sleeve...
not true... unless the dog has been train to know that it has a second option, which most IPO dogs through out their whole training life is often not given. I don't think any helper would appreciate working any dogs that knows it has this option.
So should we all start to teach our dogs that they do have a second options to bite other body parts?
I have only the video clips to see but, for sure, the re-attacks by the decoy(s) are incorrect. The decoy is supposed to attack the dog directly, not run in a circle first to his left.
This is especially true in the case of Ivan's Django. Now Django is not the strongest protection however.... I think it was on the front half, Django is guarding. Django is positioned to the right (stick hand) of the decoy and not directly centered on the decoy. Instead of attacking Django directly, the decoy - in effect - runs away from the dog (turns to his left) and now all the Django has to bite is the end of the sleeve barrel as the decoy continues to circle away. This is incorrect decoy work.
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Your correct... even when the dog somehow position itself to the side or worst yet, behind the helper for the guarding. the helper should make every effort to turn and charge INTO the dog. most dogs that position themself this way will no doubt get a bad grip, but then this is for the handler to clean up on training, and not the fault of the helper for the bad grip.
I watch the samples and have heard some facts about finlands team members and think that Bj?rn really attack against the dogs.. man and stick comes first... and the sleeve is also there (not allways in correct but there it is) and dogs can get bites.. this kind of work is very selectev... is Djangos whole wideo somewhere ?? like to see it...
in this kind of decoys work the dogs must attack to against man and get the bites... this is IPO sport but its also protection work or what ??
if you only teach dog to play with the man and sleeve we talkin about "funny-playing dog" not the protection dogs ... look at the nowdays german shephards what is happened after that....
yes i do understood what you mean "this is IPO".. but i think that if we only have points dogs and makin only the better point dogs we dont get good dogs after couple of year... in World Champion level this can not be "everybodys sport"..
Just like the Nikki says.. good dog get bites and worse let the decoys work to make up minds and we see the result in here ... sorry about that but this also belong to this sport...
i think when the judge see that the sleeve is not incorrect and cause of this the dog can't have good grip then the judge can not take any points off .. if the dog gets better grips when got change to do it.. yes ?? then we see good works from dog ..
this kind of decoys work is very welcome to IPO and dog sports... new pages has been turn...
wish all the best... sorry about my bad english..hope you understood maning behind the words.....
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