I'm located in holland. I'm looking in a studdog for many things. 1. Lots off drive 2. Will too please 3. Self assured 4. A stabile character 5. A dog with an excellent bite (Full, powerfull and with a fast attack) 6. And a good pedigree 7. Mini.HD-B 8. Iff the dog has one a show Iff you want you can take a look at our site. Look on this site at kennels. Our kennel name is "Sas-van-Gent"
« Last Edit: October 01, 2004, 04:19:20 AM by Bjorn »
He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.
Picture wise you cannot see them at the moment since I am working on a new version. I do have pictures of Malinois but they are from show lines. When I will be competing again in Obedience I will take pictures of Belgians there as well and put them on the web. You are always free to send pictures and pedigrees to me since I plan to make a pedigree database. But as with most people these days, there are just not enough hours in a day.
Kind regards, Saskia
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He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.
I have lots off malinois pictures. Some go back as 1899 it is a picture from one off the first malinois hoo had a pedigree. And I have lots off pedigrees off Belgium shepherds i think about 155.000 pedigrees Tervueren,Groenendaeler,laekenois and malinois. So iff you want any you can ask me and i can find it for you and send you a pedigree
if jou want to breed with original FCI pedigree you cannot take A'TIM because he is a dog from the belgium verbond and this papers are not allowd bij breeding into the FCI.
I know that he has an other pedigree with a FCI naam but it is not good for the breed to support things like this.
A'tim is currently training for Mondioring which is FCI recognised if he's alowed that.... NVBK has a seperate studbook and dogs with FCI papers get NVBK papers but keep their FCI papers
What is wrong with that there is no cheating involved only 2 studbooks that are focused on different things
I know all about Dovrefjeld Vasco- A'Tim. And you are wright his childeren aren't good enough for IPO because simpley they haven't got any good bite. And they are very nervous. But with these two pedigrees it is a big deal because the NVBK took his pedigree back while this one wasn't right. And the FCI pedigree isn't right eather. And iff this man say's it is allright too use him it cold cheating and he is a big fat liar. At this way the breed is going down. So people around the world watch your self for using Dovrefjeld Vasco - A'Tim this dog haven't got the wright papers all though he got an FCI pedigree. I have a paper that said that all people that have a Dovrefjeld Vasco on the pedigree as the father they must send it back to Sint Hubert but know he has got a FCI pedigree it is sick.
The fact that a given dog has 2 set of papers is given the current situation with SH and NVBK "normal" . If i start competing with my dog he gets another set of papers from NVBK. if there is cheating involved... that is wrong.
Does the paper which states that the Papers from A'tims (shorter than the other name) offspring has to be returned to Sh say the reason why? I would like to know it, not that i have an a'tim, because if the reason is that A'tim played with NVBK, SH has a big legal problem with
A: the belgian constitution B:the european anty Monopoly laws.
The Papers must be returned because SH(FCI) noticed that the dog has 2 papers and the were not satisfied with that. And i think they are wright. Allso because the dog bred under 2 names. You know them A'Tim and Dovrefjeld Vasco. But the same comes allso for this dog Zot. This dog has allso 2 pedigrees Zot(NVBK) and Netchy de Mallasagne(FCI). Now you can tell me iff the NVBK is doing good things? But this topic goes about good malinois studdogs and not NVBK or Belgiumring.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2004, 01:36:18 AM by Bjorn »
Johan you really vind it normal dat one dog has two pedigrees?
What is with the breeder wich are interested in this dog. Perhaps jou have a sister and don't know it? In the KNPV the dogs have no pedigrees and thats o.k. but two for one dog that is not serieus.
SH has a monoplitic status concerning international recognised pedigrees. They miss-use this status in order to stay in power. If you are breeding topdogs and want to expand your horizons outside belgium you, due to it status, arrive with the fact that you need SH papers. So if you have 2 dogs with SH papers that you register with NVBK, which is necessary if you want to compete, and their offspring are registered with both federations you can have dogs with 2 sets off papers. I've got no problem with that solong there is no cheating involved. If i would be in such a case and SH desides to use its monopoly on my dogs, to retrive its SH papers, I will ralley for a lawsuit against SH on the basis of the fact that they miss-use their monopolistic status. Informal contacts with lawyers inside and outside the EU have convinced me in my believes that SH is doomed to lose this lawsuit.
A pedigree is a paper mentioning the forfathers of a dog if this is SH or NVBK or both solong that there is no cheating involved i cannot se you're point. The problem of the pedigrees could easily be avoided if belgium adopted the same system as in france where every animal that has to be registred (eg having a pedigree or other reasons) gets it from SIRE a sort of ministry that issues papers for dogs, horses, cattle etc
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