Hi! I had a Grey Tervueren female(it was my first dog) and I used to show her. Later I heared that they didnt like them in the rings in Belgium. If two Tervuerens where competing in the same ring, they always picked the red one, it didnt matter if the grey was better How are they thinking now about the grey Tervuerens?
I think they are beutiful...
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Officialy they are not allowed in any country following the FCI breed standard. In Belgium they are still not shown in the ring since according to the standard a grey dog can not be considered as an elite specimen and when judging in Belgium, the judges tend to follow this opinion. I think it is a pity and my dog has grey ancestors (even his grandfather is a grey dog).
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well, I dont like that they did like that, not a bit , because there are many beautiful Grey tervs(especially in france) and I think they make it more difficult to breed "better Tervs" without the Grey Tervuerens...
What about those who almost have no black hairtipps and are not "red" enough? What do they say about those tervs? I think they do more damage to the breeed then the grey ones..
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It is not forbidden to breed with grey tervs but they cannot obtain the same show results in Belgium as a fauve dog.
The decision was made in 1984 by 13 breed judges to exclude the greys from obtaining a CAC(IB). The vote was not unanimous. 9 judges were in favor and 4 opposed (including Eric Desschans who is Yentos' breeder). A majority of 2/3 was needed to change the standard and as you can see above this was barely met. Apparently not all judges were aware on how color is genetically determined because otherwise they would not have taken such a stupid decision.
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I am new to this board, it is good to find a home for our breed !
We had a red Terv. for 14 years and he was beautiful.
He sadly passed away last year and we have missed him so much. I was very cautious about having another red Terv. as I didn't want to be continually comparing them (our red had a fantastic coat), but the BSD is a breed that we are in love with and we didn't really want any other type of dog.
So we decided to opt for a grey to avoid and remove any unfair comparisons and last week we became the proud owners of a grey Terv. puppy...and he is absolutely gorgeous !!
I knew that the greys were 'rarer' than the reds, but I didn't realise that there was a judging or breed standard issue with them.
The breeder (who herself judges BSD's internationally) was persuasive that we should show him and didn't mention any problems that he might have in competing against reds.
However, we wanted him purely as a pet and so any bias in the ring is unlikely to be a problem for our puppy, (although if the judges, generally, decide against a stunning example of the breed purely because of the colour of the coat, then 'more fool them' I say !!).
« Last Edit: October 10, 2004, 09:14:35 PM by Dzijovic »
I hope that they will change the standard back to what it was before (for the grey Tervs). I think it would be better for the breed. They shood really think more about caracter and health problems (like epilepsy) then the colour.
But the beauty shood still be very important, like it is now. Because Belgians are very beautiful dogs, and that includes grey Tervuerens.
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Definitly post a picture, we all love puppy?s! Small, cuddly, funny... Although we probably can?t wait that they grow up (start listening and obeying..more or less, nice fur,...) they are special when they are pups.
Bye, Raven
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Although the FCI standard says that grey is not a prefered color, it is not a forebidden color (like brindle long haired). In many countries judges do not care about color, like in France where grey dogs also become champion like Giono du Bois du T?t in France or Klaar Perfect Grijs Geest in Canada. So maybe it is indeed no problem in the country where you live.
In the course of history of the BSD colors have changed more than once, there was even a time at which a long haired dog should be black (meaning Tervs were not allowed).
Hunden,
I doubt that they will change the standard in favor of greys.
Greetings, Saskia
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I think it's ridiculous that the greys aren't an "allowed" colour, IMO if it occurs naturally it should be allowed. I find the greys to be even more beautiful than the red ones, even though of course my Uzie is the most beautiful dog in the world
Hi Guys! I just logged in from the USA and Grey is a fault in our standard. Greys do win but most judges consider it a fault and don't award them the points. It usually takes a really nice dog and breeder judges are more likely to award the points than the all rounder judges.
I like a true grey dog but what I see is more dogs who just have 'bad' color as being classified as a grey. Any dog over here who isn't red or a true fawn is called a grey. Some people try to distinguish between a light fawn (they like to call champagne) and a grey but most peolpe in general think anything less than a true fawn is grey. Which in my opinion in wrong.
I also think there needs to be a clear line between 'bad' color and a grey, at least over here. I see so many dogs who look muddy that are called grey but really just have bad color. I have noticed on some of these dogs it's because the blackening occurs in midshaft of the coat but then goes back to some sort of color and then maybe some tipping at the end again. It just makes the coat look muddy, it is of course more noticeable on the lighter colored dogs and because they aren't what I consider a clear coat, they get classified as greys when they truly aren't. Anyway, I hope this makes sense and I'll see if I can't get a picture by my name too.
Hi there, New to the forum re Grey Tervuerens... We have a grey we campaign in the UK. He does pretty well....even against the big red guys. Sometimes though grey predjudice creeps in.
The grey was banned for the same reason black was banned for Malis, meaning for no reason at all. Black can be banished easily as it is a dominant color. The gene that produces grey dogs (which are actually red dogs but with a very diluted color) does not affect black and is recessive. Therefore groenendaels carry this gene without anybody knowing. The 9 people who voted against grey don't understand genetics. You can never breed grey out of Tervs. To many great greys lie at the basis of todays Tervs (like Milko du Parc de l' Hay) so that is probally why this color is still allowed although not prefered. In theory, these dogs can never receive an excellent purely based on their color. Some judges (real breed judges and not all-rounders) have found a solution to this. In their report they never say the dog is grey but always that the dog is not warm enough (dog can still win and receive CAC(IB)).
Saskia
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How are they thinking now about the grey Tervuerens? 
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