I was curious if any trainer's out there train with the Police K9's of their home countries. Here in Georgia, USA my Police Dept tried training with some very nice sport people. It was a bad idea. The sport people seemed very nice but later turned out to be a nightmare.
There were major complaints made to our Chief who then demanded a full blown investigation. After a very in-depth investigation the complaints were unfounded.
I was hoping that somewhere out there civilians and sport people were working together for the improvement of training and breeding
I'm sorry for your experience with the sport club. Our club has several cops and they are very active players and help with administration of the club as well. What sport were you playing with this club?
The big difference between "sportspeople" and "Police handlers" is, in my opinion, that Most sportspeople are doghandlers and most policehandlers are policemen with dogs. A different approach which leads to misunderstanding, and thus... The way to avoid the "..." is by comunication.
Willi, You describe a problem that often occurs. I don't know what type complaints were made, so I don't have an idea of what the problem may have been. different stokes for different folks. Lots of people like cake but don't like to see any eggs broken. I train with Civilian and sport people, think the mentality and attitude of the groups is more of a problem that the disclipine they train in. I have also seen problems within the police training world..... without the complaints to anothers administration though lol. The difference I see between the sport and practical dog world is the actual intention of putting the dog in harms way (and the handler at the same time).
I think both civilians and police have a great deal to learn from one another. I was and still am a dogsport person. I just happened to be able to change careers into law enforcement. I think (tap on my shoulder) i have been able to introduce to my department different training methods as well as introducimg them to Teus. I hope my departments one bad experience will not deter them from training with other civilians.
But I think when both worlds come together there should be a mutual respect for each others goals. Those goals I believe are very similar--trying to get the most out of ourselves and our dogs.
Personally I do not know what that person's reasons were for complaining but I am pretty sure it will come back to bite them in the behind
?Lots of people like cake but don't like to see any eggs broken. ? ?
The problem I see is not 'doghandlers vs handlers with dogs' heldengebroed, but this idea is very common with sport people. There's some myth going around police dogs aren't taken care of nor trained correct but just treaten as a needed tool.
The main goal between sport and police concerning the work of dogs differs from each other and mind blowing if you can't see. And so I agree with 'don't like to see any eggs broken A_Visitor.
-Yes Willi, The tap on your shoulder is correct. Looking forward to training days together with team soon ...with lot of intellectual discussions at dinner...-
there is a lot of debate and quarelling between trainers with different approaches to training, but in my opinion, different people just have different needs. You can't drive a ferrari on roads needing a bigger 4X4. Employing trainers for sport dogs in police k9 units IS a recipe for disaster.
we saw here that special forces handler/trainer are not better than a sport dog trainer. So where the differences?
Karate man who has 3rd dan belt level is not automatically great street fighter. But at least in real situation he has reflexes than needed in fighting.
A competition shooter is not automatically good sniper. Because he shoots only target while sniper has a lot of pressure situation and live target. But if you want to hire a person to be a sniper in your unit you will then pick a good shooter to start of then you will test for his gut to the job.
well, when you enlist to be soldier, you will need to have athletic body too right....
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