He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.
"Desire is the key to motivation, but it's the determination and commitment to an unrelenting pursuit of your goal - a commitment to excellence - that will enable you to attain the success you seek."
Didn't want to assume anything but it's kinda obvious don't ya think??
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"Desire is the key to motivation, but it's the determination and commitment to an unrelenting pursuit of your goal - a commitment to excellence - that will enable you to attain the success you seek."
They want to proove that they are equally good as the average Malinois despite the numerous comments of Mali owners.
The announcement of the competition was put in the club magazine of the Dutch Breed Club so that is all I know about it.
I will let you know the result once it is in.
Saskia
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He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.
They want to proove that they are equally good as the average Malinois despite the numerous comments of Mali owners.
Saskia, ? ?I just want you to know I'm not directing anything towards you your just passing info on, but it is kinda crazy they want to prove they are equally as good,? so they want them to compete seperate.? Thats like me wanting to prove I'm the real heavy weight champion of the world, but I don't want to fight the guy thats on top to do it. ? That is absolutely crazy!!? ?They should compete their dogs right along side the malinois if they want to say it stacks up against the malinois.? You ever go in a store and are thinking about buying a new pair of tennis shoes, and before that you didn't think yours were totally terrible until you tried on the new ones and then had to put back on your old tennis shoes. Then you realized just how awful those old tennis shoes were.? As long as they compete with just that breed, they won't know where it stacks up to the malinois, they'll just keep thinking their not bad (like the tennis shoe analogy).? I don't have experience with the other types of BSD so I am not offering any opinion as to how they stack up (though I have my prejudice,LOL )? But that idea is just insane.
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Chris...it's like Sch USA lol all over again...One way to get rid of your competition is to not allow it to compete!?
If I wanted to prove and believed that my Mustang could outrace my neighbor's Camaro...Then to see how it measures up...I would have to race against that Camaro wouldn't I? Or do I race against other Mustangs and then claim my car is as good as a Camaro?
Again nothing toward you Saskia; but those 'rules' are just ridiculous and prove absolutely NOTHING.? ?
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"Desire is the key to motivation, but it's the determination and commitment to an unrelenting pursuit of your goal - a commitment to excellence - that will enable you to attain the success you seek."
I think the reson they organise a competion for the other variety's only is because of the reactions above. We all know the malinois is the only one out of 4 that has been bred for work over the past years but all BSD should be working dogs. If you enter a competition with a Terv., lae. ore Gro. you face a compleet publick waiting for your dog to make a mistake. If a the dog does nice obediance its becouse they are soft, if they preforme good in defence it is coincidence. This is one of the resons many longhaired dog owners do not like to enter competition since a longhaired dog needs to preforme even better than best to get any credit at all. I think the initiative to organise a special competition is a great idee and encouragement for many to start competing. The only way to get good working dogs is to test them and to get people to work the dogs so I see no harm at all in organising a special event. There might be many good dogs out there without us even knowing about them. This is a B-C competion just to get people who work one of the other varieties together and share a nice day.
There is no problem with having a 'specialty' competition for long-hairs...As long as people don't begin claiming that by winning a 'first'...They have the 'best BELGIAN'.? To exclude one variety is not an honest reflection of the Belgian.? The only claim one can have is that they have the 'best long hair variety'.
But I think in reality we must be honest with ourselves and admit that out of the 4 varieties; the Malinois excells in performance events.? I don't believe that another variety would have to perform much? better to get the same credit...Just by sheer numbers and popularity...The Tervs and Gros outnumber the Malinois 10 to 1.? So that alone should give them the advantage in excelling at performance events over the Malinois.? Yet, the results of various competitions do not reflect this.? I think these are 'rationalizations' and attempts at justification and nothing more.?
JMHO B
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"Desire is the key to motivation, but it's the determination and commitment to an unrelenting pursuit of your goal - a commitment to excellence - that will enable you to attain the success you seek."
oh, oh..... Because we have and breed longhaired belgians, who I think are a combination of everything they should be.... (I know they can't cope with the Malinois in competing IPO). The idea for the competition started because we have a lot of longhaired dogs in training IPO that they would like to compete to see where they stand around other longhaired.... We... (I speak for myself) breed and train the dogs in a lot of different sports, they are very allround, also are goodlooking dogs in standard of the belgian. The idea to do a competition was born out of curiosity,,, just wanting to know other working langhaired in and around Europe. Why is that wrong? The way the malinois is bred, it's quite understandable that they can compete on high level in IPO. But most longhaired belgians aren't bred that way, but some can do the work also!! Maybe and offcourse not like a Malinois, who has been selected for their workingskills for many generations... It's obvious that they DO the job... but are they suitable for other things as well??? Can they also be outstanding and stabil dogs around the house? Or do they have to stay in the kennel untill they can be taken out for the next training??? We ALSO have a malinois, who can possibly be a good dog for competing, but I really don't want him has a petdog in my house, he too much of everything, for sports and being busy oke, but beside that quite useless in my eyes (my husband don't agree ) We have 3 males (1 Terv. (IPO3)1 Gr (IPO2) and 1 mali (IPO3)) and 1 female Groenendael (IPO1) who have certificates in IPO, out of 7 dogs I have here!! Is that a coinsidence? I don't care what other people think, I love to do sports with my dogs, if that's IPO, agility or Obedience. And I love to origanize such an event and love to see as many longhaired dogs as possible.... There are quite some nice dogs with lot's of temperament, but unfortunately they aren't being used for breeding a lot, because most breeders are afraid getting puppies with too high drive and less beautiful head. Hope to see you in Almere in Oktober!!! Maybe you will reconsider your ideas about the longhaired? Bye, Angela
Excuse me ultramal and Chris_Duhon...but how stupid you think that we longhairowners are?? (sure you think we are stupid because mals are not for us THE ONE and ONLY lol) We ALL KNOW that malinois are the ultimate dogs to compete on the TOP in IPO!
I think your way of thinking is narrow, and the propable reason for you to think that it's dicrimination against the maliowners not to be allowed to compete in this UNofficial competition, is your own discriminative thoughts, ignorance and prejudice towards the rest of bsd-variants. If it would not be so you would see the true reason for arranging this kind of event instead getting upset because of it...
An you are accusing the ones who are putting so much effort to get working longhaired visible (which are not too many I can tell) for a bad job because the mals are not allowed to be in the competition?? Shame on you... I think they do a GREAT job organizing this kind of event for those bsd-varients who do not show so much othervice in IPO competitions! So I really hope there will be a lot of participants Angela! GOOD LUCK it's GREAT that you will organize this event and I really hope I could come and see it myself!
And you who are still having dark thoughts about this please draw your head out of you-know-where and you will see that the sun is shining
I partly agree with all of you - I agree that arranging a competition for all but for the MN is 'discrimination' in a way, but I also completely agree with jeanette's and other poeple's opinion on spectators to expect especially mistakes from the other varieties. For that same reason many people who have IPO exams with groens, tervs and laekens don't go to competitions, which is a shame. I myself, as well as my friend (both have groens, she worked with her former one, I'm preparing for IPO with my male) have been asked by mali owners why the hell don't we get real belgians, meaning malis, of course? . Sorry, I though I DO have a real belgian...
I think that most probably an average mali will perform better in IPO and SchH than an average groen or terv with the same training, but that's because of decades and decades of strict selections. (agility, however, is another story...? ) But still, all belgians should be working dogs and I think this is a good way to encourage other varieties' owners to join in a trial and promote functionality in IPO in other varieties as well. My opinion at least...?
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? That is absolutely crazy!!? ?They should compete their dogs right along side the malinois if they want to say it stacks up against the malinois.? You ever go in a store and are thinking about buying a new pair of tennis shoes, and before that you didn't think yours were totally terrible until you tried on the new ones and then had to put back on your old tennis shoes. Then you realized just how awful those old tennis shoes were.? As long as they compete with just that breed, they won't know where it stacks up to the malinois, they'll just keep thinking their not bad (like the tennis shoe analogy).? I don't have experience with the other types of BSD so I am not offering any opinion as to how they stack up (though I have my prejudice,LOL 
lol) We ALL KNOW that malinois are the ultimate dogs to compete on the TOP in IPO!
