I am not sure if this is the write spelling but just to make sure that everyone understand what this topic is about I will define it now.
Culling is when a breeder or producer will kill a healthy puppy because it is not up to standard for show quality. Some will even kill a puppy because they can't find a home to sell it too.
I am appauled to hear that this is still going on in the year 2005!!!! Again, I beg you, if you do not have a waiting list of names for pups please DO NOT BREED!!! How can anyone live with their conscious knowing that they have the capacity to kill innocent creatures!!!!
It is different if the pup has a very serious health issue that will not permit it to develop normally or to live a somewhat life. But other than that, I can't phantom any ideas why a puppy should be killed.
Maybe I am just too much of a softy and should learn to harden my heart where breeding is concerned! But if this is what breeding is all about, then you can definitely count me out!
They breeders that do kill puppy's for any reason that not is health related are no breeders, they are at the same level as the puppyfarms their minds are twisted and their eyes only see money money ...............
They breeders that do kill puppy's for any reason that not is health related are no breeders, they are at the same level as the puppyfarms their minds are twisted and their eyes only see money money ...............
Herman
You are soooo right! I can`t emagine killing anything alive! The only thing they see is money...
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Here in the states you also have BYB's dumping whole litters out on country roads. In fact it has become such a problem in my local area that they passed an oridnance that all dogs and cats are to be fixed at 6 months or you will get a fine. If you are a breeder than you need to register your kennel with the township you live in.
I think it is a pitty to dispose of healthy puppies but unfortunately it happens certainly if money is the main reason for breeding.
Saskia
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It can be harsh for anyone with a half a heart especially if seeing it done for wrong reasons, but really how else would we have the breeds we have today foundation, breeders culled. Also, to maintain standards, I'm not saying I agree with the practice, I am just able to see both sides of the fence. Really when it comes to your money hungry people, I have seen them do the opposite, they tried to sell the pups that others would have culled just to make a dollar even if they had to reduce the price, their object was to just make something, anything if they could.
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Very true Chris, but what about fixing the dog and placing in a home? Or do more careful breeding? I agree to keep a strong working breed you have to breed strong proven working dogs.
That would most definatly be the best route, however, I'm sure it isn't that easy, I know I have tried to place dogs for a friend of mine before, and it took a long time. Now accumulate that by the many breedings, there just are not that many rescues, or adopters. Thats why I am not really into breeding, I like training not breeding. Culling just because they are females I feel is stupid, I love working with females, some of the best dogs I have had and seen have been females. People also, breed, to get a pup or two out of a litter, then cull the rest to keep that blood locked up amongst friends with an occasional outcross, I have seen that. I don't know, culling is a touchie subject because of the variables involved.
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"You goddamned yellow belly, how dare you breath the same air as these men!!" ~GEN. GEORGE PATTON? WWII
I hear what you are saying Chris but to me I am a dog owner and lover first then I am a breeder. I strongly believe that if a breeder plans carefully each of his intended litters, he/she wouldn't need to turn to culling to get 'rid' of the pups they can't find homes for. I know everything is not all black and white but I still have a very hard time with the fact that anyone will cull puppies because they can't find homes for their pups/dogs. Now if it was because of health issues than I don't have a problem with that.
Though I also understand that breeders usually breed to keep something out of a certain combination, they should still wait until they have a waiting list for their other pups. Otherwise be ready to keep the pups until you are able to place them in to good homes.
But what if you have a waiting list for 2 males and 6 females. And you have a large litter (largest BSD litter I know that was recently born was a litter of 14) and by coincidence you have 8 males and 1 female.
What will you do when the people on your waiting list refuse to take a male?? Keep all the males?
Saskia
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He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.
I think everyone has a stand in their beliefs. I don't disagree with culling, but at the same time I do not practice it. I would like to know the subtle details of how they recognize issues in a very young puppy. I respect their knowledge. I'm not even including "byb" into this discussion because their reasons being so far from any arguable point.
I know from a few EXCELLENT breeders that were going to call a few pups because of agression levels seen very early. Ironically enough they were not cull'd and one of those pups has eaten 4 handlers up bad and sent 3 to the ER. I would love to watch these breeders that can see this. To learn. Not even to cull my own, but to better place them.
Mike, I think you've made some KEY points in your last post...
One being:? excellent breeders
Another being that high aggression is not necessarily a reason (as we're not talking shoddy breeding/breeders here)....to cull...however, as your last statement indicated; PROPER placement is even more prudent for these types of pups and perhaps much of this could have been avoided!
And I have also heard of many instances of highly aggressive pups exhibiting extreme handler aggression (well bred and coming from excellent kennels with good reps)...YET, when re-sold and if fortunate enough to be placed/re-homed in a proper environment did not repeat this type of aggression....So just something to think about in general.? Yet many would have been very quick to 'cull' a pup like this initially....simply because they AND most of JQP doesn't have the experience or expertise necessary to deal with a temperament like this.
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You can be an excellent breeder, know what you want and how to get there but if you are not also a good judge of character, your dogs will end up with the wrong people eventually.
Saskia
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