I am a breeder of the Groenendael variety. I would like to think as myself as a respectable breeder! Having said that, there is nothing that ticks me off the most when people call themselves breeders or producers of any of the Belgians variety and will not stand behind the litters that they produce!
In the last several weeks, I have read too many times that belgians were found or dropped at shelters for whatever reason and though the so call breeder or producer of this dog was notified they will not take back the dog into there home.
So to those people I say, if you can't take back a dog that you have produced in the past whether it is still a pup or a young adult or a very old dog, then PLEASE DO NOT REPRODUCE ANY MORE LITTERS!!!!!! There are always rescue you can look for if you want another belgian!!!!!
I think the kind of breeders that won't take any of their bred dogs back shouldn't be called a breeder at all, and indeed should never breed anymore!
This is really sad...
When I sell pups, I always work with a buying agreement, and in that agreement both me as breeder and the new owner sign for the fact (amongst a lot of other things of course) that the dog has to go back to the breeder when the owner can't take care for him anymore.
So to those people I say, if you can't take back a dog that you have produced in the past whether it is still a pup or a young adult or a very old dog, then PLEASE DO NOT REPRODUCE ANY MORE LITTERS!!!!!! There are always rescue you can look for if you want another belgian!!!!!
I only can aggree with you, I sell all puppy's with a contract so if the new owners have problems with their dog they have to contact me and then we look together for the best solution, if so I take back the dog and find him a new home.
Did it once and still I'm very happy with the new owners.
But I lost track of one out of my A-litter, they asked me for help, I told them I go search for new owners just give me a week, but the next day they gave him away to "friends" of them and I never heard anything about him, don't know where he is and if he still is alive.
Even with contract still you can lose the contact and there will be a possible dropped dog some where.
It`s a bad feeling to know that such things always happen. Of course we are "new" breeders and plan our first litter only for spring 2006 and we don`t know so much about practice.
But we also think about how to do it in the best way because we want that our puppys get also the best place and if there should be a problem we will be there to give helpful informations or also take back the dog.
The breeder from our male Lolka did it in the same way. He get also a bad place wher the people shoot him and it was no question that she take this wounderfull dog back. The first time in our home we have much tu do with him he scare if you move your hand to quickly but now he is on the best way to be a great wounderfull dog! He dont scare about noise and also not about people play with almost everythin and is a big teddybear.
So we also want be sure that it is possible if we see that the owner from our puppys dont do in the right way that we can do anything about this!
Is it possible to send me a formular how this contract what you use looke like?
You are definitely right there. Contracts protect your dogs so much and then that is it. We also have a very strict but honest contracts that also includes the first right of ownership which stipulates that if the original can't not keep the dog for whatever reason, we, as breeders have to be notified and have the first right to take the dog back.
In my lifetime as a breeder I took back two dogs . Yes I do have to admit that if the new owners do not keep in contact with the breeder it is very hard to know what is happening to your puppy/dog.
I don't blame any breeder who has lived or will live this kind of situation. But that is a FAR CRY from the breeder that has been notified of one of his dogs that they have produce is in a shelter/rescue, bad situation with owners or that someone just can't keep any longer and will do nothing about it. To those kind of people I wish they woul just get out of my breed!!!!!
Isn't there also the issue of money? Here in Belgium I know breeders who ask 650 to 700 Euro for a dog. It is easier to produce puppies and get the money than to follow their puppies and do the right thing when there is a problem.
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650-700 euro? In Sweden mals cost about 800 euro... or more
Think it is good if breeder makes contract that the breeder have to know where the dog ends up.
In sweden there is a shortage of police dogs and they may pay the double price for a young promising dog.
So if the breeder buys a dog back and sells it to the police he can make a profit. But I think it is not ethically right to have that as the only reason to be interested in bying dogs back and I hope noone is doing so. First of all breeders should be concerned that their puppies and adult dogs they sell end up in loving homes that carry about the dogs needs.
How many times though does it really happen where you have to take a dog back?? I do not know if I was lucky or not to just have two returned? Actually, one I took back because the woman couldn't not deal with a dominant female. You see this pup was born with a certain condition. The woman knew all about it and still wanted the pup. She used the pup's handicap as an excuse for not disciplining her. Therefore, it didn't take long for this young bitch to take control of the whole household! She didn't want to let her go but I made her see that things would only get worst with the dog because she was not prepared to take in our advice where this dog was concern. She finally agreed that it would probably be best for all concern. As for the second dog I took back, once again we thought we had found an excellent family but it turned out that this family was quite weird and tried to turn this dog into some kind of a circus dog and it didn't sit well with this very intelligent dog of ours. Suddenly he just had to go. I was very happy to take HIM back for I have always regretted to have sold him in the first place. All of our others dogs that we have sold or rehome have turned out OK as we speak.
I still say though that if you do not have room to take back a dog you have produce then you shouldn't be producing anymore litters for quite sometime until you have enough room in case such occasions or situations arises!
Just curious, how many of you have taken dogs back from previous sales? Was the number of dogs so high that there was no way for you take it back?
I think that all what breeder can do is only his/her best to find a new home for a dog from whom ovner wants to get rid of. Lets not drop all the resposibility of dog to neck of breeder, puppy buyer should take part of it too. I think that best to do is that breeder and owner together look for best solution for the dogs new placeing, but no one can demand breeder to take dog back in all cases, naturaly its one possibility. If we can, we take returned dog back for evaluation (2 - 7 days), so that we know more about it and then have better possibility to place it to best suitable new home. So far we have been able to find good new homes for couple of returned dog that we have had. Naturaly if dog is from good breeding and it has been raised and trained well, its much easier to find a good new home for it. 2 of 3 of these returned dogs of ours have been as "home dogs" and so trained just minimum, thats why evaluation period is very important. By that time we can look how drives start to develope in some trainings and can give new buyer prospects more specific information of the dog. Also then we can tell about dogs behavior in different places, sociality etc.
I think you are taking my original post way to personally. If you go back to it, my original post is really pointing the fingers to those breeders or producers of puppy who will not take a dog back when they have been notified personally that the dog comes from their kennel. To those people I say please do not breed anymore!
I totally agree with you that it is impossible to keep track of every puppy you sell or place. This is NOT what this is about.
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Having said that, there is nothing that ticks me off the most when people call themselves breeders or producers of any of the Belgians variety and will not stand behind the litters that they produce! 
There are always rescue you can look for if you want another belgian!!!!! 
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? I do not know if I was lucky or not to just have two returned? Actually, one I took back because the woman couldn't not deal with a dominant female. You see this pup was born with a certain condition. The woman knew all about it and still wanted the pup. She used the pup's handicap as an excuse for not disciplining her. Therefore, it didn't take long for this young bitch to take control of the whole household! She didn't want to let her go but I made her see that things would only get worst with the dog because she was not prepared to take in our advice where this dog was concern. She finally agreed that it would probably be best for all concern. As for the second dog I took back, once again we thought we had found an excellent family but it turned out that this family was quite weird and tried to turn this dog into some kind of a circus dog and it didn't sit well with this very intelligent dog of ours. Suddenly he just had to go. I was very happy to take HIM back for I have always regretted to have sold him in the first place. All of our others dogs that we have sold or rehome have turned out OK as we speak.
