Just some pics from training this weekend. ?The decoy in the first 2 groups of pics (Crash and Chaos) is my son. ?He is the owner of the Terv pup in the last pictures also. ?He's a "decoy in training", not my first choice for doing puppy work, but our other two decoys have been gone a lot lately so you use what you have. ?He's perfect for working Chaos, she's got enough foundation on her she mainly needs control work right now, and he's perfectly capable of catching her properly, then working her so her handler can work on the out/guard/recall, escorts, bark/hold, etc. ? Crash and Topsy are siblings, and Chaos is their half-sister, all out of the same sire.
Crash - my newest pup
Chaos - owned by me, but currently be handled by a friend of mine.
Topsy - this is Kelson's pup that he's training for FR and eventually herding and weight pull. ?The weight pull has to wait until the pup is full grown, the herding has to wait until Kelson is a little bigger. ?He took Topsy's mom Zara herding, and the sheep mowed him over LOL. ?
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It is called a "pinch collar" and they are not metal nails. They are also blunt on the tips, not sharp. I prefer to use a pinch collar on my dogs over a choke, as I feel it is more humane. There have been studies done on choke collars vs pinch collars, the choke collar although it appears more humane, puts all the pressure on one area of the dogs neck, and can cause a lot of damage over time. It also "chokes", hence the name. The pinch collar distributes the pressure over the dogs entire neck, resulting in a more even correction and less chance of damage.
I will try to find a website, but a study on prong/pinch collars was done in Germany: 100 dogs were in the study. 50 used choke and 50 used prong. The dogs were studied for their entire lives. As dogs died, autopsies were performed. Of the 50 whose owners used chokes, 48 had injuries to the neck, trachea, or back. 2 of those were determined to be genetic. The other 46 were caused by trauma. Of the 50 whose owners use prongs, 2 had injuries in the neck area, 1 was determined to be genetic. 1 was caused by trauma.
If they are illegal where you live, you can't do this. But if they aren't, try putting both on your arm or leg and giving yourself a correction. I find the choke to be more painful, it pinches/pulls in one spot, right where the active loop is. The pinch puts the pressure all the way around the arm, and isn't nearly as painful. Obviously both can be abused and used to cause a lot of pain, but that is abuse by the handler, not a fault of the tool. A poor handler can abuse any piece of equipment, including a simple flat collar.
As a side note, the pinch in this picture was not sized correctly and is on way to loose.
I think we should stick to the subject. Any kind of disscusion regarding collars should be separated. My comment to the pictures; it look like Crash has indeed a crashing grip... nice.
I agree we should also stick to the subject, but as the question of Pinch/Prong/Spike Collars versus Choke Chains has been posted under this heading I'll post this both here and in the appropriate place.
One can only agree 100 percent with Kadi Thingvall regarding the Pinch/Prong/Spike Collar being far more humane and less damaging on a dog than the standard ?choke? collar/chain.
To begin with it is most important that the collar be fitted correctly. See the pic below:
So far as I am aware the Prong Collar isn?t banned in Holland at all. In any event, everyone I know in Holland uses them, and they are sold by all the suppliers of dog training equipment in Holland
The "choke" chain isn?t called a choke chain for nothing. But one needs to know how to use one?s tools. A good intro to the correct use of the Prong Collar can be found on the www.leerburg.com web site:
Thanks. I'm sure it has something to do with the genes for the long hair, but my Terv pups always have this really nice dark rich red color. Even if all their siblings are blonde. Crash had a nice red base color when he was 8 weeks, but then he faded out to more of a fawn with the overlay. Hopefully he'll get the red back, but it doesn't really matter :-) This is their half brother, different dam. I love his coloring, IMO it doesn't get much better. He was 6 or 7 months when this was taken. And he's actually even darker red in person than in the picture.
Our first litter too was alot of dark red in color. Some turned out fawn and other kept the dark mahagony color. One of the male pups is a little fuzzy will try to get a pic of him to show.The dad is red fawn and the mom was fawn blk mask.I think its neat to see the different colors. We have female who is considered I think to be sable. Would love to learn about the differnt color varietys
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nice.
and they all have nice full bites 
And he's actually even darker red in person than in the picture.
