What do you think about it? My idea is that when there is a Tervueren on a big championship it isn't a bad one because he made his qualifications there for. I have written someone about a tervueren that was a participant at the Championaat de France / Coupe de France. This dog was for me verry good. But that person said this dog was made etc. But he did his job allthough the helper made his life hard. I think iff someone wants too breed Tervueren out off workinglines you must be glad iff there is a Tervueren on such level and with "fresh blood" not Elgos in the pedigree. In IPO you don't see that much tervueren at that level for participating at big contest(not in Holland). I mean that with an pedigree.
What about Golan van de Wielander IPO3? In Belgium I know Simthos van 't Sparrebos has IPO3. There are probably more but I don't know them because I train in different disciplines.
The kennel van 't Davidshof breeds especially for Belgian Ring and his dogs are selected for the Belgian Championship cat 3 and 1.
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I know Golan. Because I had traind with him in the past. He was a good dog but not good enough for competion. he was a good club dog. But davidshof is a "show"breeder and the goes for sparrebos? Between making an exam in ring,ipo etc or be a participant in a trail. And not a trail that is easy but what i have written at a National championship and participant at different qualification trails to get there. That is what I ment. And why then say the dog isn't good enough ! That is what i don't understand what some people look for in a working tervueren. The dog made different trails to get there. The sirch for a good "working"tervueren is harder than a good "working"malinois?
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Kennel van Davidshof breeds from working lines. They come back over the lines of des deux Pottois. I would like to know more about the French dog. Then there are more Tervs out there, in Switserland and Austria there real good working lines. All the dogs are bred from Malinois bloodlines.
Not really. He is a show judge but not a show breeder.
Golan: don't you have to compete to obtain a IPO 3 level?
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No, when you made your IPO 3 exam once, you don't have compete any more. It is in Holland different than in Belgium. because in Belgium every exam is a trail and in holland are exams and trails. But i didn't know that from 't Davidshof. I made in the past a few shows and there were some off his dogs there so could not make the connection that he was a "working"tervueren breeder.
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You can obtain your Ipo certificats on your club so the dog never has to work on a strange helper ore in a different place. There quite a few Tervs who can obtain there certificats if nothing goes wrong, only a couple can work on different helpers and on new fields. As far as I know only 4 tervs in Holland competed in competitions last year and all were working bred Terv.
Van 't Davidshof shows some of his dogs only when they are good enough. The last time was 2 years ago. But not with good results.
He himself works as a police officer and uses his dogs for this.
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For me when I were a "working"tervueren breeder. There are some interesting dog on the website www.bergerbelge.com. On this website are 2 tervueren out off malinois bloodlines. One tervueren is out Dusty de Clos Savoie on fathers side and the other tervueren is a great grand son from G'Vitou grandfather is Atos on fathers side. Than there are some interesting tervueren on the website from "du Vieux Marroniers".
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Do you have the adres of the du Vieux Marroniers kennel? The other bloodline is quite close to the Elgos bloodlines as wel so I do not feel you can call this an outcross. Then why put "working" like this? Lets say every year 100 mals are born and 10 tervs and 1 out of 10 is able to compete in bigger competitions your wil be seeing 10 mals and one terv there. This does not mean the tervs are "bad"dogs. Last year a terv won the Dutch studdog KNPV competition and on a total of about 40 working tervs out there they made a good average right away.
Cuja's Hero is a wonderfull dog but he has a mallinois pedigree so he can not be used in Terv. breeding. There is more good dogs like Chico (called Perro) PH1, Zizou (Robbie) van Joefarm PH 1 and 2. Over the past 7 years not more then around 50 dogs have been bred compleetly from working lines in Holland then some of them were sold to the U.S. , Belgium etc. and from each litter dogs allso went into agillety homes ore were sold as house ore gard dogs. From my own litters only a couple were trained seriously in defence. From the first litter 3 dogs, one became a certificated police dog PD1-PD2 and narcotic dog, one went into French ring in the U.S. but was stolen and one went into Ipo and has Ipo 3 and is attending in competions then in the second litter 4 went into sports, one died real young, one had Ipo3 and became police dog and one has Ipo1 and one had has a back trauma due to an accident. Then the next litter only 2 dogs were born, one training towards Ipo 1 right now the other one had Ipo 1 with 97 points in defence, this was a talented dog but he died together with another dog from heatstroke on a verry hot day, dogs from the last two litters are stil verry young 4 of them are in Ipo and one is training for his police dog certificat right now. And then we have a son of one of my dogs working at the Austrian police force. So for me it's not that strange there not many dogs out there preforming in big competitions there just not enough arround yet. Every year hundreds of working mallnios are born and I do not see that manny different dogs in big competitions as wel. At this point a couple of breeders are out there working to build strong Tervueren working lines so if anyone spots a good Terv let me know And if a Terv shows up in a mallinois litter trie to regester the dog as Terv. so he/she won't be lost for breeding.
Taken the estimate of mals that begin training and end up in competition in BR which is only 5 to 10% Taken that these mals mostly come frome lines with generations of Ringdogs
It doesn't surprise me that there are so few Tervs in Ring. The "critical" mass to have a sound imput isn't there (at this point) The only thing you guys (and girls offcourse) can do is start competing and selecting for working tervs the whole breed will benifice from this.
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