..... the lines up "north" as mentioned above all decent from dutch en belgium dogs........... .
I understands the point you look to make... but is it possible other countries does make 'different' selection on look AND workability ?
I mean... isn't the selection of parents and such important of creating a workability in lineage ? I can imagine some breeders (maybe countries) look for another type Laekinois.
i prefer only to bread with dogs with working capacity, as requierd in the standard.......... most breaders only go by the looks of the dogs and just a "friendly" caracter. But a lakenois is'nt a labrador or golden retriever.
I am not really used to do things like this with computer so I give it a try. I have to clear some things about the laeken, because a lot of things that are written are not what they really are. Before you write something about some laekens I think it would be wiser to inform yourself with the people that are concerned. Till now I read a lot of things about me and my kennel but very few people contacted me and asked about my opinion. Some things I was not really happy to read. But I agree that everybody has his own idee and I can accept that. But the history of the breed is there and that you can not change but everybody who is really interested in the breed should know the history. In very big lines The laeken was bred in Belgium end of the 19 century, there the clubcommity who was responsable of making a standard for the Belg Shepherd took a wrong disicion but taking the grey colour for the laeken and all other colours ( the most common ) were forbidden. ( Just by the way the breeder in the commity who was responsable of chosing the grey colour he had grey laekens???) was it his own interest he defended??? why was Jansen who had the best dogs at that moment and who didn't speak french not in the party??? So The yellow ones went to Holland (Rotterdam) and were overloaded with prices of honour. So they started to be very popular in Holland. So popular that Till the start of the 70 ths there were much more laekense than the other 3 belgium shepherds together. In this time lots of laekens were used in KNPV . In the start of the 70 a belgian breeder bought a female in holland and started a new lines mixing with Malinois. Later the van Kriekebos kennel took over and also Evelyb had her best succeses after breeding her laekens back to Malinois.Since then there was not so much infusion of dogs from holland. About the working line laekens. It is the same as with the malinois and the tervuren and the groenendaels they all go back on working malinois lines. And those are the only lines that give working dogs generation after generation. I agree sometime a confirmation dog can make a perfect working dog a have seen many examples but unfortunately they produce only beautyline dogs and no workingdogs. So for me they were a one of a kind. The working laekens I agree also they are not all the most beautifull ones but there is not a big choise you take the best one to work or you take the most beautifull one but then he is not strong enough to do the work. But I guarantee that there are nice working dogs ( for me working dogs are the ones used for protection sport or police work.) Quichot is a Belgian Beauty champion and also the one and only Belgiun Working champion in all history of the laeken. Some of his puppies do very nice on shows like his grand son Zorax who was worldwinner and do nice things in Holland right now. Zorax father Xwoest had also IPO 3 ,There was Universel who competed at the worldchampionship in switserland, In France some of my dogs do Mondioring french ring IPO SO there are many dogs doing competition the its difficult because the handlers who wants to give it a try with laekens are most of the times young unexpierented handlers so its extra difficult to compete against the malinois top. Also now in belgium there is a female alfi who is competing in mondioring and is in first place for the worldchampionship this year. So who say so a laeken cannot work and cannot be beautifull. Shit I did not know I could write so much If you have any question don't hesitate or even remarks I can handle I am used to that Johan
Johan I am very pleased you joined this forum. I like your comment. I know you are the expert on this item. Will i see you at the Dutch clubmatch in Deurne 21 and 22 may? How many Laekens do you have at this moment for breeding?
1e i didn't read anything bad about your kennel, in the opposite, most people are very glad that the lakenois is back in Belgium!!And probally you have saved the lakenois for the inbread was increasing rapidly! Thanks!
2e the historie you wrote is well know in Holland, it is written down in every book about GSD you read .
3e before the 70 's i can not find a malinois in the dutch line's but probably i am mistaken ( i have looked in a program with over 150.000 dogs) I dont know when intervariaty's were forbidden, around the 1930? I mean in the old knpv dogs (for the 70 as there a Jack and the dogs from the Hoogendijkje kennel) i can not find any malinois blood.
4e lets hope we dont get a seperate worling line of laeknois as there is fot the malinois en german shepard, there is only one breading standard.
nice to hear from you and no hard feelings( i own a son of Zorax and he is good looking and works firm enough to pass ipo)
It still is not easy to find a working Laekinois. But thanks for your explanation of the history. Lovely to read !
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I agree sometime a confirmation dog can make a perfect working dog a have seen many examples but unfortunately they produce only beautyline dogs and no workingdogs. So for me they were a one of a kind. The working laekens I agree also they are not all the most beautifull ones but there is not a big choise you take the best one to work or you take the most beautifull one but then he is not strong enough to do the work.
Something I am learning from this thread here on this forum: there is very nice showline Laekinois and I might be lucky if he/she want to work. But at the other hand I might be lucky if the working Laekinois does look beautiful for confirmation.
Interesting. Now I have to make up my mind if the Laekinois I want to pick has to be working only, or more show or both. But if pick a pup for working only and 'ugly' I best go for Working Malinois: they work and look pretty.
When a Laekinois I want go for beauty and workability.
I am not really used to do things like this with computer so I give it a try.
I have to clear some things about the laeken, because a lot of things that are written are not what they really are.
Before you write something about some laekens I think it would be wiser to inform yourself with the people that are concerned. Till now I read a lot of things about me and my kennel but very few people contacted me and asked about my opinion.
Dear Johan
I?m back from Iraq and in Belgium for one day before getting a flight back to SA.
As we know, it was I who drew your attention to the working Laekenois discussion on this forum ? on account of which you joined.
I am sorry to have to say that I think you are wasting your valuable time trying to inform the clowns (i.e. ?Sculpadog?, ?Birdie? and ?Jennie?) on this forum about the working Laekenois, or anything else regarding the Belgian Shepherd. (The initiators of this Forum should make some enquiries with the Finnish Belgian Shepherd Dog Club regarding ?Birdie? and ?Jennie?, after which they just might see the light?) As for Toes Tijselling, no one of any importance in the Malinois world in Holland has ever heard of him? RAVEN and HUNDEN, please take note ? and, if you don?t, don?t complain when you receive a letter from someone's lawyer.
These cretins ? especially ?Sculpadog? (i.e. Teus Tijselling [Prof. Dr. in the ?weetnikskunde? [no-nothing-science]) who thinks he knows everything better than everyone else]) ? believe they are THE ?experts? who know everything better than a Johan Weckhuyzen.
Before I tried (without success) to inform them who you are, these ?experts? didn?t even know your name and, as you are aware were, in their monumental ignorance and crass stupidity, happily busy slandering you, your kennel and dogs on this forum.
Otherwise, I find it extremely kind and generous of you that, despite your extremely busy schedule and lack of computer skills, were so kind and generous and took the time and trouble to respond and attempt to inform us on the history and current situation regarding the working Laekenois.
Thank GOD for Johan Weckhuyzen and that he ? and NOT a Toes Tijselling ? is the President of the World Federation of Belgian Shepherd Dog Clubs and Secretary of the Royal Union of Belgian Shepherd Dog Clubs.
For the uninformed on this Forum who still don?t know who Johan Weckhuyzen is: Johan Weckhuyzen, besides being the world-renowned breeder of working Malinois, Laekenois and Tervuerens under the van de Duvetorre kennel name, is also the President of the World Federation of Belgian Shepherd dog Clubs and the Secretary of the Royal Union of Belgian Shepherd Dog Clubs.
Be careful when next you make a post on this Forum ? you might just get banned ? as I was!!!
I?ll bet that this post will, most probably, be deleted as soon as it is posted, but both Johan and I will have the evidence that it was posted.
As we know, it was I who drew your attention to the working Laekenois discussion on this forum ? on account of which you joined.
Something good at last...
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As for Toes Tijselling, no one of any importance in the Malinois world in Holland has ever heard of him? RAVEN and HUNDEN, please take note ? and, if you don?t, don?t complain when you receive a letter from someone's lawyer.
I guess it depends who is importaint to whom and why.. Theus trains dogs and it seams that in USA he is respected for his knowledge and abilities. He gives seminars to police,.... So in my eyes he is importaint, I guess in all those who have his dogs and seen him work he is too. Go visit his site there are some comments from people that have his dogs and seen him work.. http://www.sculpadog.nl .
And since you love to judge so much what everyone else did for breed surprise me with what you did.
About this lawyer things as I wrote million times before AUTHORS of everything that is written here are responsible for their writting and if we will get such a letter one day we will deal with it.
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These cretins ? especially ?Sculpadog? (i.e. Teus Tijselling [Prof. Dr. in the ?weetnikskunde? [no-nothing-science]) who thinks he knows everything better than everyone else]) ? believe they are THE ?experts? who know everything better than a Johan Weckhuyzen.
Before I tried (without success) to inform them who you are, these ?experts? didn?t even know your name and, as you are aware were, in their monumental ignorance and crass stupidity, happily busy slandering you, your kennel and dogs on this forum.
Otherwise, I find it extremely kind and generous of you that, despite your extremely busy schedule and lack of computer skills, were so kind and generous and took the time and trouble to respond and attempt to inform us on the history and current situation regarding the working Laekenois.
Insults, insults, insults... And belive it or not we know who Mr. Johan Weckhuyzen is.. He is welcome here and it is his bussines to writte or not, to lose his precious time or not..
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Be careful when next you make a post on this Forum ? you might just get banned ? as I was!!!
I?ll bet that this post will, most probably, be deleted as soon as it is posted, but both Johan and I will have the evidence that it was posted.
You know very good yourself why you have been banned. Tons of insults and spitting on everyone elses opinion. I asked you couple of times to calm down and start writting like a normal person but you did not listen. We started getting emails and instant messages from members that this should not be alowed. I banned you for 3 days, on some other forum you would be imidiatly banned after your first post.. (like first post your wrotte as St. Rombouts).
And we erased soo many of your posts right? Half of texts that were in them you removed yourself and tryed to hide some of your threats and so on behidn "I was fixing texts because of spelling".
Bye, Raven
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Do not condemn the judgment of another because it differs from your own. You may both be wrong. ~Dandemis
Hi Again, Nothing was written bod about my kennelname but somewhere I read something about the type of my workingdogs. So it is not nice to read those things because then you can write about every breed and breeder because nobody breed only top dogs. Every breeder has trash. It is up to the breeder to take his responsebility for what he is breeding. So In my case I always give a full warranty on my dogs I only sell a puppie when I think that the puppie will be the right one for that person. And if the buyer is not happy he can always come back I always take the puppie back. And that not all the breeders can say that.
About the malinois that where bred into the laekens I didn't say it was done in Holland before the 1970's because there I have no info about that it was done. For sure in the KNPV clubs they mixe all breeds and they do competition like XMH or XDH wihch means Crossed mali or crossed GSD. For sure examples are the black malinois that are still competing. They are all off spring of a very famous groenedael that won severall times the KNPV championship in the early 80 ths . So i'm pretty sure they did same with the laekens. In Belgium and france they did crosses with malinois and you do not always find a trace from the malinois in the breed just like in the kennel de 'l apache " where 2 sister where completely diffent in coat one very short and 1 normal laeken coat ( so in that time it means nearly a bouvier. It is impossible when you know the lines of this 2 sisters that 1 is nearly a mechelaar and the other is a really bouvier type. But on pedigree there is no trace of malinois . Sometimes dogs are not really what is written on the pedigree. I am sorry to say and I do not like it but we cannot change what has been done . we have to live with that. For Petra I really should like to come but I leave for Germany to see the worldchampionships sorry but i am sure that it will be a succes just like before.
I have for the moment Yankee and his son Cabril females are Roza (11 years) Twiggie (9 years) Vegane (7) Cookie (1,5) Domi ( 10 months) Dibelle (6 months) Djuka (4 y) I hope to have a litter this year.
Johan, maybe we can meet at the Laeken Fuday this year? It is held on June 19th in Roosendaal. there is no competition, but fun on this day. Every year we expect about 40 Laekenois!!
So look at the advertisment put on this site or on the Laekenzine.com. If you want to know more write me in private: wallecol@tiscali.nl
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