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Conformation thoughts and Opinions?
« on: May 16, 2007, 05:25:20 PM »

I would LOVE to know what you guys thought of Riots Conformation.

He is known as "(Ch ptd) Ravenmasque Summer Riot CGN RN-CL"





and a movement shot.. blurry.. but non the less
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Re: Conformation thoughts and Opinions?
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2007, 10:58:04 PM »

Could you just specify more why you are asking this and what CGN RN-CL stands for?

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Re: Conformation thoughts and Opinions?
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2007, 11:45:27 PM »

Thank you for fixing the pictures for me.

I was wondering for show purposes. He has been showing consistantly last summer, but only ended up placing well with a couple Best of Winners, a Best of Opposites and a Best of Breed, but no big wins.

He has lovely movement, last summer his back end movement was coined as "dicey" as he was still maturing by a judge.

I'm hoping to finish his Canadian Championship this year as he only needs 4 more points to go.

Just wondering what his overall conformation looked like to you and what faults he has.
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Re: Conformation thoughts and Opinions?
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2007, 11:46:22 PM »

Also forgot to mention ;

RN-CL is a Rally Obedience tittle. It is for his Rally Novice(RN) and the CL means Cum Lade(sp?) which means he recieved the second highest scoring overall.
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Re: Conformation thoughts and Opinions?
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2007, 11:41:45 PM »

Beautiful dog.  Smiley
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Re: Conformation thoughts and Opinions?
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2007, 09:28:59 PM »

Hi, know nothing about show requirements, I am a newbie.
but I think he has a wonderful coat!
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Re: Conformation thoughts and Opinions?
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2007, 05:11:27 PM »

me too! I am not a Belgian expert but he looks wonderful. I have trawled an awful lot of belgian sites and he looks top notch to me!  Afro
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Re: Conformation thoughts and Opinions?
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2007, 07:07:31 PM »

OK, since you asked, his legs are too long, making his back look too short, sorta cobbed up.
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Re: Conformation thoughts and Opinions?
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2007, 09:39:34 PM »

Very nice looking dog!! Smiley
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Re: Conformation thoughts and Opinions?
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2007, 12:35:42 PM »

OK, since you asked, his legs are too long, making his back look too short, sorta cobbed up.

I am a total novice with Belgians so learning! but.... I thought that a belgians conformation should be nice and square, looking at him he doesnt seem longer in the leg than the length of the back? If I am wrong educate me!  Afro I will be very proud if mine looks so good when she matures!
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Re: Conformation thoughts and Opinions?
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2007, 01:07:45 PM »

I am a total novice with Belgians so learning! but.... I thought that a belgians conformation should be nice and square, looking at him he doesnt seem longer in the leg than the length of the back? If I am wrong educate me!  Afro

You are perfectly right!  Grin Working people has their own view on breed standard..lol
Here is sweden there exist even working mals with longer legs then this dog has. A belgian should be square shaped of course.

This dog is looking pretty nice  Smiley

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Re: Conformation thoughts and Opinions?
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2007, 02:31:27 PM »

Jeff,

Could you please define for me what you mean with long legs?

For me the height of the dog looks fine for me although I would not show him like that because (and that is what Jeff maybe means) in the first picture his back looks too long (one of the reasons why I rarely judge dogs based on pictures)

He has a bit of a sloping croupe.  Back angulations seem fine front I am having doubts whether he might not be a bit steep (can also be related to the way you position him).

Anything on the head is difficult to say (can hardly see eyes, ears, chisseling etc).  His movement seems fine except his tail which is carried too high.

Based on these pictures, I can agree with the rest that he is a nice looking dog.  But again, it is very difficult to judge a dog based on pictures due to light, agulation of the camera etc.

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Re: Conformation thoughts and Opinions?
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2007, 02:41:41 PM »

I thought I explained it pretty well. His legs are too long, making him look less than square, and making his back look too short.

Does he bite??? That is the real question. Cheesy
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Re: Conformation thoughts and Opinions?
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2007, 10:38:14 PM »

lol Thanks Saskia for the detailed breakdown of conformation.

Riot IS slightly long in the back, his legs aren't "long" though lol hes a short male only 24.5" at the shoulder.

He looks less square because of the slightly longer back - pictures aer fairly hard to judge, but getting a rough idea from everyone is fabulous to hear!

As for his face; I'll try and find a close up shot of him..

A picture of him in the forest








I haven't been able to find a nice side shot yet though..
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Re: Conformation thoughts and Opinions?
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2007, 12:52:11 PM »

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I thought I explained it pretty well. His legs are too long, making him look less than square, and making his back look too short.

Well, his legs are not too long but his back is too long hence not square.  A BSD should fit within a square so a short back and nice length of leg is not a problem but the other way round is.  If there is a "problem" with leg length it is almost always that the leg is too short.

You should try to avoid that the legs are streched backwards like on the second picture and this will give a shorter impression.

On one picture I would say that he has a light roman nose but that might be the angle.  Nice eyes of good color.  Good triangular ears but at these pictures they could be placed higher but it might be that he needs more stimulation to solve that.  The skull seems to be a flat skull.  A well filled muzzle with a well split mouth and good mask.

It is funny to see that he has the same eyebrow structure as my dog.

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