I did breed Xorro van de duvetorre SchH 3(brother to Umlaut, turcodo, turco etc.) to Jorie de Lescaut (line joeri, bicou, gvitou) and out of 8 pups I got 6 terv...
some peoples apparently care more about the coat than the working ability because the male and female pick of the litter are abalable now... the peoples who had reserved a malinois do not want long hair...
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The only difference in our tervs born out of malinois, is the coat. One terv is really serious, one is just calm and friendly, one is funny and easy and one very pure working dog (registered as malinois and he is as terv as can be) The same variation is also in malinoissiblings. I've never believed that only coat would make any difference, but of course the malinoispeople rather take malinois and we don't even know how many good tervs have been cast aside just because of the fur.
But those are still young, so the reality will be seen after a couple of years.
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Here in the states we see coat color linked to temperament differences in several breeds, and I thought I would ask to see if there was any difference. 15 years or more ago, I started to see a lot of interesting links between things like coat color, that you wouldn't think would make any difference, start to have regular associations.
I have found that the lighter the coat in golden retrievers they tend to be more nervy and can actually bite, were the dark dark irish setter red type goldens do not do this at all.
Cocker spaniels that are red on the other hand, tend to be the ones that are too aggressive and bite.
I have never seen grey tervs born out of malinoisparents anywhere, so that I can not compare. Also I haven't bred that many gray dogs, so can't make any conclusions about that either. Those few grays I've had, have had temperament according to their pedigrees and I've had worse red than gray. ButI've also heard about the coulour/temperament to be linking somehow, with dogs, cats and horses, so it might be possible, but is it so with BSD, dunno. At least i'd still be more ready to call bad tempered dogs to be out of bad breeding, not wrong colour Til now I've heard explanaitions like it swallowed a cone, someone had wrong coloured clothes, someone turned right instead of left and the dog has never seen a forest... so this could be a new and scientic explanation to those, who need explanations.
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With golden retriever I don't think the color makes the temperament. The color is just correlated to temperament, but not the cause of the temperament. Most "modern" goldens, the ones bred for shows and family are heavy built and lost their golden color. They also lost their working dog personality. Like most working dog breeds when you start breeding for show, you get more nervous dogs (if looks is more important than temperament). Pale golden=show bred->lost working personality->nervous. The few golgen coloured golden retrievers are mostly of working lines. In these lines the color has not dissapeared probably because there's not been selection for color or the paler dogs has not been used in the lines. The coloured goldens are usually not heavy built either. (I don't know anything about golden breeding really, just quessing)
The original color black produces in general more calm dogs, the blonds are a bit more energetic but the brown ones are often and this the color that is naturally the least frequent but the one that people like most and they now actually try to breed on.
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He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.
Hoppsan, I trained an extremely dominant Golden puppy that at ten weeks was too much for his owners. They had chosen him because he was white with gold freckles on his face. His temperament was so bad, and the owners were not so good either, the puppy was put down at 6 months.
I ran a large boarding facility, and the coat color seemed to be a fairly accurate "generalization" LOL
With Cockers it really ran true. I have been bitten by the reds nearly every time. I guess the mystery will continue.
Saskia: I've been wondering why I get the feeling that the brown labradores look so haha, maybe it has to do with the color I met lots of black labradors from working lines (very common in sweden among hunting people, and yes, in sweden hunting is a very common hobby among all kinds of people regardless of age or social "class"). Those labs are very energetic and remind me a lot of mals in their temperament and working spirit.
jeff: I don't really understand your point with the golden puppy... was the temperament some kind of proof for the color-temperament thing? I also met and had in my dog classes young dominant white goldens (white because they are far most common). For me those young white dominant goldens were not good in their character even if they were very dominant. Mostly it was because of bad training and no limits and leadership from the owners. In may breeds males with high levels of testosterone are used, since they usually look good in the show ring. High levels of testosterone with maybe bad nerves and owners with lack of knowlegde from dogs is not nessesarily a good combination.
Are tervuren out of working malinois, in general, better working dogs than tervuren from a working terv bloodline?
Just wondering out loud.
They are just the same and from same lines. There is no such thing as working terv bloodline as separate. Some people say that tervs out of mals are weaker than short coated siblings. I don't believe that. But tervs out of mals usually have a coat that is not funny to take care of and it doesn't stand climatechanges as well as proper malcoat.
About red cockerspaniels: they have neurological disease called TLE, temporal lobe epilepsy, also known as the rage syndrome. Same kinda symptoms has been also in BSDs. It is neurological state, illness, and can be partly cured with medication. Not all angry dogs are TLE, it shows in unexplainable aggression, like dog doesnät know who he is and why he is doing things. Bad temperament doesn't make TLE.
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Til now I've heard explanaitions like it swallowed a cone, someone had wrong coloured clothes, someone turned right instead of left and the dog has never seen a forest... so this could be a new and scientic explanation to those, who need explanations. 
and this the color that is naturally the least frequent but the one that people like most and they now actually try to breed on.
